Should nato be expanded to include (south)east asian countries, or should america create a separate pacific alliance?

[Sneeder]

Trvmp won Nato lost.

 

[SUPERCELLEX]

That’s true, but it’s still important to curtail chinese influence in the region since that will make it easier for america to take control when they’re capable of leading effectively. I think israel is a very unique situation due to how powerful mossad is. There is no equivalent to them in SEA.
I think it’s more accurate to say that chinese and israeli spies are competing for influence over the us government. I don’t think they’re working together.

The vietnam war was a civil war that america intervened in. That situation could not happen today. There is no way china would support an aggressive north korea today. Getting dragged into a regional war is not worth it to them. Having a formal alliance with australia and south korea is still good since it allows america to exercise more infouence over them.

Vietnam and america actually have great relations nowadays. They probably wouldn’t be interested in a military alliance doe. Thailand is a very valuable ally since they have the second biggest economy in the region, and have a central position in mainland SEA. They have been realigning towards china in the past couple years. India hates china much more than they do america. Brics is essentially a forum for discussing economic issues, not an alliance.

>first para
You right about the competing and that's what I said
>second para
You sure? That could be the breaking point between no-WW3 and WW3. They've said they wanted to go to war over Taiwan too
>alliance
You think the US doesn't already have a handle on SK and Aus? Commonwealthers are pretty much already close to NATO and have anglosphere politics all over, SK has many treaties with the US for historiopolitical reasons
>third para
Huh didn't know the US could restrain themselves from not going apeshit about tankie states
>thailand
How much would they be of help in a SHTF? I honestly don't know much about Siam but I do know there's probably already bases there and bangkok is a corrupt shithole
>BRICS
US is paranoid of any country that wants to distance from the USD because they're insecure about the federal reserve not being a lender of last resort. This is true under orange man too. (((The powers that be))) in the US side will make it military and personal over switching to gold or something because the people inside the federal reserve are scared shitless that something will happen to their global trade system they set up if the USD fiat isn't fully trusted. Fiat requires a sort of 'it just is' unquestioned trust or weird things happen and BRICS is one of those weird things. It's kind of like how glowniggers will come for your door if you encourage a bank run cause fractional banking is fragile

 

[SUPERCELLEX]

If US globalism goes down then their chink labor system they set up goes too and all of the sudden you have a late-bronze-age-collapse tier unraveling of trade and supply chains which could result in empires being toppled

 

[265121297]

>first para
You right about the competing and that's what I said
>second para
You sure? That could be the breaking point between no-WW3 and WW3. They've said they wanted to go to war over Taiwan too
>alliance
You think the US doesn't already have a handle on SK and Aus? Commonwealthers are pretty much already close to NATO and have anglosphere politics all over, SK has many treaties with the US for historiopolitical reasons
>third para
Huh didn't know the US could restrain themselves from not going apeshit about tankie states
>thailand
How much would they be of help in a SHTF? I honestly don't know much about Siam but I do know there's probably already bases there and bangkok is a corrupt shithole
>BRICS
US is paranoid of any country that wants to distance from the USD because they're insecure about the federal reserve not being a lender of last resort. This is true under orange man too. (((The powers that be))) in the US side will make it military and personal over switching to gold or something because the people inside the federal reserve are scared shitless that something will happen to their global trade system they set up if the USD fiat isn't fully trusted. Fiat requires a sort of 'it just is' unquestioned trust or weird things happen and BRICS is one of those weird things. It's kind of like how glowniggers will come for your door if you encourage a bank run cause fractional banking is fragile

I misinterpreted your point about competing in that case.

I’m completely sure china wouldn’t support north korea invading anyone precisely because they don’t want ww3. A formal alliance between south korea or australia and america is completely different from a formal alliance between america and taiwan. China claims taiwan as their territory and would therefore view an alliance as a direct attack on their territory and possibly a declaration of war from america. An alliance with australia and south korea would be seen as an escalation, but not much more.

Of course america has a handle on australia and south korea, but it would be even bigger with an alliance. With a formal alliance they could make more and bigger demands, such as forcing them to spend more money on their military.

America mostly stopped containing communism after the ussr collapsed. They only maintain a blockade on cuba because it’s popular with voters.

Thailand would help a lot if shit hit the fan. They have a great position for basing airplanes and they also have naval bases close to the straights of malacca. Blockading that would likely be priority #1 in a war against china. They have also been spending a lot on modernising their air force recently. America has no bases there right now, but they are renting an airfield.

Thailand is middle of the pack in SEA when it comes to corruption.

Of course america is afraid of countries switching from the USD in trade, that’s why being allied to india is important. They would be a lot less likely to switch if they have good relations with america since they wouldn’t want to cause tensions.

 

[Stephen]

Historycels are trying to avoid the inevitable end, expand NATO worldwide now!!!

 

[265121297]

@Gem Control what country are you from? I want to figure out if this really is snca.

 

[GnuAintUnix]

Get rid of nato

 

[265121297]

Get rid of nato

How do you secure american interests in europe and the middle east without nato?

 

[Stephen]

Expand nato now, destroy everyone who even hints at leaving nato

 

[GnuAintUnix]

How do you secure american interests in europe and the middle east without nato?

Easy you just fucking don't
We need to focus on american interests in america like steel production or the drug crisis
We should also leave the UN

 

[265121297]

Easy you just fucking don't
We need to focus on american interests in america like steel production or the drug crisis

Isolationismchad… I knvvl.

 

[AshkeNazi]

If the Japanese managed to do it back then with the IJA, then nothing's stopping the colossal American war machine from setting up a sphere of influence there. Although it'd need a new name.

greater atlanticopacific co-prosperity sphere or something

 

[DonutHole]

America should be dismantled and nuked

 

[DarkWaffle]

fuck groups like the un, eu, and nato. nationalism wabag

 

[Stephen]

Annex the world btw

 

[Otto Skorzeny]

No, NATO is and was only intended for the North Atlantic hence its name; NATO for this reason and what you are talking about does not include any other countries out of the North-Atlantic countries no matter how Western they are we see with Australia, Japan, etc they have asked but we’re rejected when applying for membership in NATO but they are American, Western, and NATO Allies. If we were to do this it could get us in wars that don’t involve or threaten us and would be a catastrophe and drain us like how Israel and Jews have done to the west since Ww2

 

[TurkBVLL]

I'm not dying for India