how is assisted suicide bad?

[(In)CelibatePsycho]

Even from the secular point of view, assisted suicide is still bad. Saying that life is something so worthless that it could be ended by simply walking into a shop one day with some dollar bills isn't good for the health of humanity. It's selfish and seeing that this has even become a concept reflects on society's apathy towards human life. You could purchase a firearm and some bullets if you wanted to, kill yourself that way. But nah, you're too much of a pussy to do that. You've got to normalize suicide to be comfortable enough to take your own life. That's the most pathetic shit ever. Think about what that means for other people and their productivity, it'd be demoralizing as fuck knowing I live on the same planet with some baby that killed himself in the gas pod over some pussy. And I don't know why you included that last part about being devout, that was random.

I don’t care about humanity.

Also I don’t want to normalize suicide to make killing myself easier, you are just assuming absurd things for no reason. As far as you know not a single person here is suicidal

 

[(In)CelibatePsycho]

I think what he means to say is "if your argument is religious in nature, we cannot use statistics or scientific studies to confront it. Thus, we not be able to reach any understanding without us sharing your same belief system"

We are not trying to be rude. I think we just kind of get tired of having to debate the existence of God in every thread.

Yeah if you’re religious beliefs force are the sole reaosn you view something some way, then there is no point arguing about that thing. We can only argue the religion, or we can agree to disagree.

 

[baqqrih]

I think what he means to say is "if your argument is religious in nature, we cannot use statistics or scientific studies to confront it. Thus, we not be able to reach any understanding without us sharing your same belief system"

We are not trying to be rude. I think we just kind of get tired of having to debate the existence of God in every thread.

I don't know, he said that if an argument "isn't religious in nature, then it's just nonsensical", so I brought him an argument that therefore wouldn't be nonsensical according to his statement, as it was religious. Maybe I misunderstood.

 

[DOLL]

What if I don’t have friends or family?

For the sake of the argument, lets say you have no friends and family, you have unbearable pain that gives you no reason to live, you have no reason to believe in God or a world after this that will give you penance for killing yourself, and there is legitimately no way for you to continue existing in the world without you wanting to kill yourself, and I say thats okay.
What about 99.9999% of every other situation in which that is not the case and you can be saved either by God or your own (rational) mind seeing that "this is fucking retarded and I need to live to continue my goals in this life"? I assume you would concede that because its absolutely rational and not the total edge case that you've been using to rationalize every assisted and unassisted suicide thats been discussed so far.

 

[WH15KeY]

Even from the secular point of view, assisted suicide is still bad. Saying that life is something so worthless that it could be ended by simply walking into a shop one day with some dollar bills isn't good for the health of humanity. It's selfish and seeing that this has even become a concept reflects on society's apathy towards human life. You could purchase a firearm and some bullets if you wanted to, kill yourself that way. But nah, you're too much of a pussy to do that. You've got to normalize suicide to be comfortable enough to take your own life. That's the most pathetic shit ever. Think about what that means for other people and their productivity, it'd be demoralizing as fuck knowing I live on the same planet with some baby that killed himself in the gas pod over some pussy. And I don't know why you included that last part about being devout, that was random.

I would have to say I am against assisted suicide for the reasons I listed before. I can sympathize with some of your points, but you just seem needlessly edgy with the venom you spew about struggling people. The point about you being devout, I was not trying to attack you... I just feel as though you don't really care about helping others and are merely using religion to make your points seem more reasonable. Again, I'm an atheist and I think the entire thing is silly, but you think we should follow your world-view when you behave like this towards the hurting?

 

[Oot]

I don’t care about humanity.

Also I don’t want to normalize suicide to make killing myself easier, you are just assuming absurd things for no reason. As far as you know not a single person here is suicidal

That wasn't even directed towards you, good job assuming something for no reason, geg

 

[encrusting_acro]

I doubt we will ever will. Well, I am speaking in the context of the USA. We are a very individualistic country. For better or worse I believe we shall remain that way.

Well, Hitler came to power in a democracy. If he could do that, we can turn the US into an authoritarian ethnostate.

 

[Oot]

I would have to say I am against assisted suicide for the reasons I listed before. I can sympathize with some of your points, but you just seem needlessly edgy with the venom you spew about struggling people. The point about you being devout, I was not trying to attack you... I just feel as though you don't really care about helping others and are merely using religion to make your points seem more reasonable. Again, I'm an atheist and I think the entire thing is silly, but you think we should follow your world-view when you behave like this towards the hurting?

No, it's not a religious thing. I was once an agnostic, I dislike people who commit suicide because I see them as weak and a bad example for the rest of us.

 

[(In)CelibatePsycho]

I don't know, he said that if an argument "isn't religious in nature, then it's just nonsensical", so I brought him an argument that therefore wouldn't be nonsensical according to his statement, as it was religious. Maybe I misunderstood.

He meant it wouldn't be nonsensical for you to believe it based on your religion. But of course the argument would not sway an atheist or agnostic or whatever much.

 

[WH15KeY]

Well, Hitler came to power in a democracy.

You make a fair point. I certainly believe a dictator could come to power... but the traits usually found within a dictator are not ones that would allow them to care about others taking their own lives.

 

[encrusting_acro]

You make a fair point. I certainly believe a dictator could come to power... but the traits usually found within a dictator are not ones that would allow them to care about others taking their own lives.

I will be that dictator.

 

[WH15KeY]

No, it's not a religious thing. I was once an agnostic, I dislike people who commit suicide because I see them as weak and a bad example for the rest of us.

I think those who commit suicide are usually under far different circumstances than those who do not have that struggle. I doubt "normal" individuals could be led by such an "example"

Again though, you are such a selfish little thing. Your concern is not about them, only what impact it could have for others.

 

[WH15KeY]

I will be that dictator.

You only live once. I say go for it. No one wants to live a boring life.

 

[istanbul]

Suicide is always irrational no matter what. You are choosing the cowards way out whether it be for pain or for humiliation or for a self interest. You are choosing to kill yourself to satisfy a temporary desire for peace.

Again you seem to only be thinking of people whose problems who are physically healthy and decide to end their life for some other reason.
Do you know how maddening it is not being able to move? Or to be in pain at every waking moment? To not even be able to go to the toilet and shitting and pissing yourself every time? Not being able to clean yourself? It is humiliating having to have someone else clean your ass and your dick and balls, specially if it's someone you don't know. This is what a good portion, if not the majority of people over 70 go through. There's no reason on why they shouldn't be able to chose to die peacefully.
And also there's all the people that are younger than that and suffer from some other kind of terrible condition.

Everyone in your family will suffer

You are the only one in your own body. You shouldn't have 'but what will others think of me??' in your head at all times and this goes beyond killing yourself. The biggest red pill is that you simply just aren't that important.

Killing yourself if you have children under your care would be scummy though, that's one instance where I'll grant your argument some validity.

 

[WH15KeY]

Wait, I cannot type selfish?

 

[DOLL]

Actually that wasn't right the cop should of let him jump

Well he killed two people and then himself but there was absolutely no way to atone for his sins- I mean crimes o algo

I mean he was bullied for being gay in the most gay-tolerant society in the world he should kill himself

He was in a traffic stop of course he should kill himself theres literally nothing that he can do to avoid that bro

I mean I'm in jail bro the only thing left is to kill myself mandatory death sentence bro why are you saying I'm a coward

 

[(In)CelibatePsycho]

>Its selfish to kill yourself because your family MIGHT be sad but its not selfish for me to think a miserable person shouldn’t be allowed to kill themselves because it might effect me negatively

 

[WH15KeY]

Again, DOLL only seems to be interested in using straw man arguments. He has all of these assumptions in his head about us and has shown little interest in attempting to understand our perspectives.

 

[(In)CelibatePsycho]

Maybe suicide was worth it for those people. Maybe they don’t value life as much as you do and don’t think living is worth enduring what they have gone through. Who are you to say that wasn’t the case?

 

[Oot]

I think those who commit suicide are usually under far different circumstances than those who do not have that struggle. I doubt "normal" individuals could be led by such an "example"

Again though, you are such a selfish little thing. Your concern is not about them, only what impact it could have for others.

People kill themselves because they're heart broken, alcoholics in tons of drama, they're heavily in debt, etc. These things happen to a lot of us, we deal with them in many ways. Suicide is one option, some people take it. I don't think they should. And I'm not selfish for thinking that way, taking their feelings into consideration is irrelevant when they are considering ending what they think is their entire existence. That's a very stark answer for a problem that has other solutions.