how is assisted suicide bad?

[WH15KeY]

No, we use heckin' objective morality from God. No point in talking about that with Godless people thoughbeit. Do you think that assisted suicide is bad?

I think it would be a waste of time for me to debate this again but...

I have a felling that "objective morality" from God would say certain things you do in your personal life are wrong. I know that is just an assumption, but I just get this feeling that you are not particularly devout in your practices.

 

[encrusting_acro]

Killing yourself as a way out is degenerate. Plain and simple; doesn't need any reason--it's purely ontological.

 

[(In)CelibatePsycho]

No, we use heckin' objective morality from God. No point in talking about that with Godless people thoughbeit. Do you think that assisted suicide is bad?

I’m agnostic so rn I don’t think it’s bad. Of course I can understand why you would say it is if your religion says so

 

[(In)CelibatePsycho]

Killing yourself as a way out is degenerate. Plain and simple; doesn't need any reason--it's purely ontological.

I disagree

 

[Oot]

I think the ultimate division here is that the people who think lives can be immediately expended if the mind living them decides it's too much suffering are people who don't see the inherent, God-ordained value of the soul within the person, or even believe that souls as a concept of life exist, while the other side that's against assisted suicide does believe in such a concept of inherent, God-given value to every life. I personally think it's selfish to kill yourself because it's the ultimate rejection of all God's given you; not only are you rejecting His gift of eternal salvation and hope, but you're also rejecting the gift of life He originally gave you so that He could then share more of His blessings, but I know I'm not changing any non-believer's idea of life by saying that, since our entire worldviews that contribute to the concept of value to life are what ultimately determine such an idea, and our views of the whole of existence are very firm things, very hard to shift around or replace.

Yes, but the secular take on why suicide bad is the better argument here because people like @WH15KeY don't believe in "sky daddy" or whatever they call God.

 

[(In)CelibatePsycho]

Someone willing to kill themselves is not thinking in a rational state of mind.

The only way for you to say that with certantly is if you believe suicide is always irrational no matter what, which is an absurd belief to have unless your religion says so for some reason.

 

[DOLL]

Also, banter is not calling someone a faggot over and over. It has to be clever. You are just sperging out on us for no reason. I think you have more in common with "the left" than you realize.

Whenever you are ready to answer, I will be here I suppose.

A healthy adult male who says that because you are poor, disabled, or ill, you cannot be happy. You need to kill yourself because it validates his world view. Your life has no meaning because you cannot possibly be happy without a smart phone, unlimited internet access, and a community that is dedicated to seeing you ascend past these misfortunes to your true self on the other side. Fuck off.

 

[WH15KeY]

Killing yourself as a way out is degenerate. Plain and simple; doesn't need any reason--it's purely ontological.

I don't think that will stop people from killing themselves sadly.

 

[encrusting_acro]

I don't think that will stop people from killing themselves sadly.

Not if we use draconian-level enforcement

 

[WH15KeY]

@DOLL

Do you even believe in psychiatry? If you don't... what does right state of mind even mean in your world-view?

 

[istanbul]

You proved to the people close to you and the world that you aren't strong enough to suffer.

What's wrong with admitting defeat? Why should you keep going when there is clearly no way to improve your situation, or doing so takes such an enormous amount of energy that it might as well just not be possible at all?

How the hell does an Olympic Runner in the 1940's go through basic training to end up in a Japanese death camp, then float across the Pacific Ocean for years until he gets discovered starving to death on a piece of driftwood and survives, and you think your predicament is so dire you have to get janny to pull the plug on your life? You are pathetic

Cool story.
However, it is a cool story because stuff like this is just so impossibly unlikely it's hard to believe it's not actually made up. I'm not sure how this is an argument at all.
Also, fine, call people that are physically healthy cowards, but those aren't the only ones that benefit from assisted suicide. Old people are fucking miserable when they get to the point where they can no longer do anything by themselves.
Also shit tons of conditions that make your life hell or whatever.
If your argument isn't religious in nature then it's just nonsensical.

 

[WH15KeY]

Not if we use draconian-level enforcement

I doubt we will ever will. Well, I am speaking in the context of the USA. We are a very individualistic country. For better or worse I believe we shall remain that way.

 

[(In)CelibatePsycho]

Forget God and all of the moral precepts: killing yourself is a cowards way out. You proved to the people close to you and the world that you aren't strong enough to suffer. The pain is just too much o algo. How the hell does an Olympic Runner in the 1940's go through basic training to end up in a Japanese death camp, then float across the Pacific Ocean for years until he gets discovered starving to death on a piece of driftwood and survives, and you think your predicament is so dire you have to get janny to pull the plug on your life? You are pathetic.

The Olympic runner didn’t kill himself because he decided the suffering he would endure from living is worth it. I won’t shame him for deciding that. I won’t say he’s wrong.


People who kill themselves decided the suffering they endure from living isn’t worth it. Who are you to shame them for that? Who are you to say they are wrong? You don’t know what it’s like. You don’t know what they value, you don’t know what they are going though.

 

[WH15KeY]

What's wrong with admitting defeat? Why should you keep going when there is clearly no way to improve your situation, or doing so takes such an enormous amount of energy that it might as well just not be possible at all?

Cool story.
However, it is a cool story because stuff like this is just so impossibly unlikely it's hard to believe it's not actually made up. I'm not sure how this is an argument at all.
Also, fine, call people that are physically healthy cowards, but those aren't the only ones that benefit from assisted suicide. Old people are fucking miserable when they get to the point where they can no longer do anything by themselves.
Also shit tons of conditions that make your life hell or whatever.
If your argument isn't religious in nature then it's just nonsensical.

I don't think @DOLL has a concept of how brains are different and people react to circumstances differently.

 

[baqqrih]

If your argument isn't religious in nature then it's just nonsensical.

My arguments are religious in nature. Suicide is bad because God says so, as He commands that He is the one who should take life away, rather than the person possessing the life.
>Then Job arose and tore his robe and shaved his head and fell on the ground and worshiped. And he said, “Naked I came from my mother’s womb, and naked shall I return. The LORD gave, and the LORD has taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.”

 

[DOLL]

The only way for you to say that with certantly is if you believe suicide is always irrational no matter what, which is an absurd belief to have unless your religion says so for some reason.

Suicide is always irrational no matter what. You are choosing the cowards way out whether it be for pain or for humiliation or for a self interest. You are choosing to kill yourself to satisfy a temporary desire for peace. Everyone in your family will suffer. All of your friends will suffer. That is selfishness. That is cowardice. You cannot survive in a world with pain. You lost and you own that. "But the next life is just like a disconnected computer; no feelings no nothing o algo" now you are speaking my language. What proof do you have of that being the case? How many NDE's have you examined and read over? I mean, you are the expert after all. Facts and logic triumph everything in a godless mind. Can you cite me the sources that people who suffer from mental illness and depression were saved from deeper regrets and depression after suicide attempts and the legalization of assisted suicide? I can cite sources if you are willing to put yourself against me.

 

[istanbul]

My arguments are religious in nature. Suicide is bad because God says so, as He commands that He is the one who should take life away, rather than the person possessing the life.
>Then Job arose and tore his robe and shaved his head and fell on the ground and worshiped. And he said, “Naked I came from my mother’s womb, and naked shall I return. The LORD gave, and the LORD has taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.”

 

[Oot]

I think it would be a waste of time for me to debate this again but...

I have a felling that "objective morality" from God would say certain things you do in your personal life are wrong. I know that is just an assumption, but I just get this feeling that you are not particularly devout in your practices.

Even from the secular point of view, assisted suicide is still bad. Saying that life is something so worthless that it could be ended by simply walking into a shop one day with some dollar bills isn't good for the health of humanity. It's selfish and seeing that this has even become a concept reflects on society's apathy towards human life. You could purchase a firearm and some bullets if you wanted to, kill yourself that way. But nah, you're too much of a pussy to do that. You've got to normalize suicide to be comfortable enough to take your own life. That's the most pathetic shit ever. Think about what that means for other people and their productivity, it'd be demoralizing as fuck knowing I live on the same planet with some baby that killed himself in the gas pod over some pussy. And I don't know why you included that last part about being devout, that was random.

 

[(In)CelibatePsycho]

Suicide is always irrational no matter what. You are choosing the cowards way out whether it be for pain or for humiliation or for a self interest. You are choosing to kill yourself to satisfy a temporary desire for peace. Everyone in your family will suffer. All of your friends will suffer. That is selfishness. That is cowardice. You cannot survive in a world with pain. You lost and you own that. "But the next life is just like a disconnected computer; no feelings no nothing o algo" now you are speaking my language. What proof do you have of that being the case? How many NDE's have you examined and read over? I mean, you are the expert after all. Facts and logic triumph everything in a godless mind. Can you cite me the sources that people who suffer from mental illness and depression were saved from deeper regrets and depression after suicide attempts and the legalization of assisted suicide? I can cite sources if you are willing to put yourself against me.

What if I don’t have friends or family?

Can you cite sources that everyone who kills themselves would have been better off if they hadn’t done so?

 

[WH15KeY]

My arguments are religious in nature. Suicide is bad because God says so, as He commands that He is the one who should take life away, rather than the person possessing the life.
>Then Job arose and tore his robe and shaved his head and fell on the ground and worshiped. And he said, “Naked I came from my mother’s womb, and naked shall I return. The LORD gave, and the LORD has taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.”

I think what he means to say is "if your argument is religious in nature, we cannot use statistics or scientific studies to confront it. Thus, we not be able to reach any understanding without us sharing your same belief system"

We are not trying to be rude. I think we just kind of get tired of having to debate the existence of God in every thread.