what is your opinion on leftcommunism?

[DonutHole]

i dont have an ideology

and ive never tried discussing these kinds of ideas with anyone before so forgive me that im unable to put my views and beliefs into any sort of coherent structure

i dont care for arguments
its more about philosophy
like the things you value that makes these views arguments or ideologies attractive
im interested in the foundational aspect the core not what it preaches
and communism advertising is for everyone to be equal if i am not mistaken
people are not equal
basically i want people to live according to how the world is not how they wished the world would be
that is not to say that im supporter of current system
but more to say people arent equal how can we work with that
instead of working against it with people should be equal

basically to me at the core
communism is a rejecting of the world
chasing the so called 'end of history'
it feels like a religion to me more than a political ideology

wanting to make the world something it isnt
wanting to make man into something it isnt

its not about how society should be run or criticism socialists/communists have that causes this knot in my stomach
nor for the wish they have which is a noble one
idk there is too much and i dont know where to start from or how to build upon it again ive never tried discussing with anyone before or sharing

Ok I reread it and these are some points

1. It isn't advocating equality for equality's sake. It advocates that the only way to resolve the class struggle between the proletarian (those who have nothing to sell but their labor power) and the bourgeoisie is for the bourgeoisie class (those that own the means of production and hire others to work them) Is for the former to abolish the latter.

If the proletarians just overthrew the bourgeoisie and made themselves the business owners and the former bourgeoisie into proletarians we'd be stuck at square one again.

2. What's wrong with changing the world? It has been changed many times before.

From Feudalism to Capitalism. When the peasants were forced into the factories they resisted, but were vanquished.
Or from the slave society of old, when it was followed by the creation of the serf class. and eventually replaced by it.

 

[General Niggnin]

from the slave society of old

We are still in a slave society and even worst at that

 

[UendeligKamp]

People are the same species. the only things that actually make us different are physical capacities and personalities, really (not to say individualism is bad it’s very important but we have more in common then stuff we don’t).
Other then that we are similar. the only reason you think we aren’t equal is because of social constructs such as money and property. You might also believe a hierarchy has to happen when it doesn’t it’s literally just conditioning.

There are more differences between people than phyiscal capacity and personality.
Yes as you say we are the same species so we are more alike than not i agree
When i say people arent equal material assets did not go into consideration
I dont believe a hierarchy has to happen
But a hierarchy tends to establish itself on its own

 

[UendeligKamp]

Ok I reread it and these are some points

1. It isn't advocating equality for equality's sake. It advocates that the only way to resolve the class struggle between the proletarian (those who have nothing to sell but their labor power) and the bourgeoisie is for the bourgeoisie class (those that own the means of production and hire others to work them) Is for the former to abolish the latter.

If the proletarians just overthrew the bourgeoisie and made themselves the business owners and the former bourgeoisie into proletarians we'd be stuck at square one again.

2. What's wrong with changing the world? It has been changed many times before.

From Feudalism to Capitalism. When the peasants were forced into the factories they resisted, but were vanquished.
Or from the slave society of old, when it was followed by the creation of the serf class. and eventually replaced by it.

1 karl marx's theory is outdated
forgive me i do not have receipts on me that would enable me to engage in fruitful theoretical discussion with you. i am sorry

2 nothing wrong with changing the world or wanting it to change.
change is natural and inevitable

 

[DonutHole]

1 karl marx's theory is outdated
forgive me i do not have receipts on me that would enable me to engage in fruitful theoretical discussion with you. i am sorry

2 nothing wrong with changing the world or wanting it to change.
change is natural and inevitable

@mandingo
Rape this uppity coon goon

 

[UendeligKamp]

sorry for being a scatterbrained mess
im working on my communication skills
than you for your patience

 

[DonutHole]

sorry for being a scatterbrained mess
im working on my communication skills
than you for your patience

Sorry I'm having a shitposting sperg attack not your fault

 

[UendeligKamp]

Sorry I'm having a shitposting sperg attack not your fault

You're forgiven
its that im chronically ill cfs/me moderate to severe degree
and the most cancerous symptom is this perpetual brain fog makes it imossible to do lateral thinking, after i build upon a rationale i lose track of where i came from and then i cannot see where i was going anymore and it can be so incredibly frustrating feeling like a mentally handicapped retard cause i know that i am capable of more
cause when im intoxicated i can think so much more clearly and without this extremely strenous effort, that has caused me to basically give up on deeper thinking and instead rely completely on feel and intuition.
i cant focus for shit and that is probably the biggest reason for me joining this site since i have no one to engage in conversation with on heavier and deeper topics that interests me
but im so ass and inept at writing or communication through text rather than talking verbally with others
im working on it though
thanks alot really for having the patience to engage with my disgusting mess of a text. i do really appreciate it even if it was a kinda really shit exchange

 

[Thrembolone]