what is your opinion on leftcommunism?

[Thrembolone]

Trostsky was left opposition
Bukharin was of the right opposition
And Stalin was of the glorious center.

Stalin was an enlightened centrist.

 

[UendeligKamp]

this time it will be real communism guys

 

[Thrembolone]

Communists but they leak at every communist country ever for not being "real" communists

but my heckin commodity production!

 

[DonutHole]

this time it will be real communism guys

 

[DonutHole]

this time it will be real communism guys

The problem is that most people you see in the west saying this are

1. fossils who are still mad about drama from almost a century ago. The Trotsky split, molotov ribbentrop and the Hungarian invasion. It's the tradition of the dead generations weighing on the living like nightmares.

2. social democrats who think welfare is socialism

3. just people who are using the correct definition. There has never been a country that has attained a communist stage of development. Only primitive communisms.

 

[UendeligKamp]

The problem is that most people you see in the west saying this are

1. fossils who are still mad about drama from almost a century ago. The Trotsky split, molotov ribbentrop and the Hungarian invasion. It's the tradition of the dead generations weighing on the living like nightmares.

2. social democrats who think welfare is socialism

3. just people who are using the correct definition. There has never been a country that has attained a communist stage of development. Only primitive communisms.

any attempt for communism = 'real communism' in my eyes

 

[DonutHole]

any attempt for communism = 'real communism' in my eyes

Basically true. Even with the minor differences between them, it isn't purely ideological. It is simply that other countries recognize that they have different material conditions.

It's not that Deng Xiaoping was a capitalist, he was a devoted Communist his whole live. He just recognized that China did not have the same material conditions of the Soviet Union, so a different approach was needed. He wasn't crying about "property rights". It's a science.

 

[General Niggnin]

Anarchism is way more aryan

 

[DonutHole]

Basically true. Even with the child differences between them, it isn't purely ideological. It is simply that other countries recognize that they have different material conditions.

It's not that Deng Xiaoping was a capitalist, he was a devoted Communist his whole live. He just recognized that China did not have the same material conditions of the Soviet Union, so a different approach was needed. He wasn't crying about "property rights". It's a science.

People also say this about North Korea. Really you can put ANY communist country here. North Korea isn't nationalistic, militaristic and focused on self reliance because they just decided to be. They analyzed their material conditions and found that.
1. They were isolated from much of the world
2. They were surrounded by American military bases, and needed protection. This meant putting the military and nuclear production first (songun)
3. They needed every man to be trained in being a soldier. To make any invasion too costly to be worth it

 

[4tehlulz]

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[UendeligKamp]

do you guys like the project communism sets out to accomplish?

i find it idk how to say this unnatural? revolting? disgusting? apprehensive probably best word for it

 

[FartmingerFuckwadCheeseSte]

Well if it ain't right, then it's wrong

 

[General Niggnin]

1. They were isolated from much of the world
2. They were surrounded by American military bases, and needed protection. This meant putting the military and nuclear production first (songun)
3. They needed every man to be trained in being a soldier. To make any invasion too costly to be worth it

Something like this would probably happen with anarchism at the start but unlike other communist nations since it’s anarchist the individual will be armed and the army won’t put a drag onto progress towards marxism/anarchism

 

[DonutHole]

do you guys like the project communism sets out to accomplish?

i find it idk how to say this unnatural? revolting? disgusting? apprehensive probably best word for it

How is it disgusting. Are you a feudalist or something.

 

[DonutHole]

How is it disgusting. Are you a feudalist or something.

To put it this way, communism doesn't argue itself from a moral framework. It argues itself to be in your best interest. As in it is the class interest of the worker formulated into an ideology. So it doesn't matter if it seems "disgusting" or "unnatural" that's arbitrary shit anyways

 

[UendeligKamp]

How is it disgusting. Are you a feudalist or something.

i dont have an ideology

and ive never tried discussing these kinds of ideas with anyone before so forgive me that im unable to put my views and beliefs into any sort of coherent structure

i dont care for arguments
its more about philosophy
like the things you value that makes these views arguments or ideologies attractive
im interested in the foundational aspect the core not what it preaches
and communism advertising is for everyone to be equal if i am not mistaken
people are not equal
basically i want people to live according to how the world is not how they wished the world would be
that is not to say that im supporter of current system
but more to say people arent equal how can we work with that
instead of working against it with people should be equal

basically to me at the core
communism is a rejecting of the world
chasing the so called 'end of history'
it feels like a religion to me more than a political ideology

wanting to make the world something it isnt
wanting to make man into something it isnt

its not about how society should be run or criticism socialists/communists have that causes this knot in my stomach
nor for the wish they have which is a noble one
idk there is too much and i dont know where to start from or how to build upon it again ive never tried discussing with anyone before or sharing

 

[DonutHole]

i dont have an ideology

and ive never tried discussing these kinds of ideas with anyone before so forgive me that im unable to put my views and beliefs into any sort of coherent structure

i dont care for arguments
its more about philosophy
like the things you value that makes these views arguments or ideologies attractive
im interested in the foundational aspect the core not what it preaches
and communism advertising is for everyone to be equal if i am not mistaken
people are not equal
basically i want people to live according to how the world is not how they wished the world would be
that is not to say that im supporter of current system
but more to say people arent equal how can we work with that
instead of working against it with people should be equal

basically to me at the core
communism is a rejecting of the world
chasing the so called 'end of history'
it feels like a religion to me more than a political ideology

wanting to make the world something it isnt
wanting to make man into something it isnt

its not about how society should be run or criticism socialists/communists have that causes this knot in my stomach
nor for the wish they have which is a noble one
idk there is too much and i dont know where to start from or how to build upon it again ive never tried discussing with anyone before or sharing

ESL scatterbrained wordslop. Im truly sorry I didnt get any of that.

 

[UendeligKamp]

ESL scatterbrained wordslop. Im truly sorry I didnt get any of that.

yeah its cool
im off my meds

basically my biggest problem with it are the intellectuals of the movement
and the evolution of the thought tradition

 

[UendeligKamp]

ESL scatterbrained wordslop. Im truly sorry I didnt get any of that.

how do i get my head to stop being complete chaos
scatterbrained is a perfect description
i want to be capable of coherent thought
instead of only abstract concepts

 

[General Niggnin]

people are not equal

People are the same species. the only things that actually make us different are physical capacities and personalities, really (not to say individualism is bad it’s very important but we have more in common then stuff we don’t).
Other then that we are similar. the only reason you think we aren’t equal is because of social constructs such as money and property. You might also believe a hierarchy has to happen when it doesn’t it’s literally just conditioning.