Discussion Future of the Catholic Church?

[Noah]

It's clear that Francis might go soon. He's been getting sick. God rest his soul when he does pass. Also means a new pope, and this means the church might go In a different direction. Personally I think it might lean more towards how it used to be, a more conservative church. Which I hope is the case. But on the slight chance it might become more liberal which would obviously be worse. Or it stays the same and nothing will ever happen. What's your thoughts soygoys?

 

[istanbul]

First black trans pope from Sub-Saharan Africa
and the one after that will be a Chinese woman

 

[alonso]

Nupope will be the downfall of Catholics

 

[_account]

The Catholic church is dead, it's lost all power and respect thank God. They've slandered Christianity for long enough.

 

[Joe Biden]

Bishop Francisopoulos will bring the heretical schismatic roman church back to catholicisity by denouncing the Filioque, papal infaillibility, the immaculate conception and scholastic thought as heretical, alliluia amin.

 

[istanbul]

The Catholic church is dead, it's lost all power and respect thank God. They've slandered Christianity for long enough.

Christianity has slandered Judaism for long enough. It was about time it started dying out.

 

[Noah]

A lot of people are quick to give up because of corruption. The church has had some pretty bad moments within history. But it's not forever, these periods of degenerate influence will happen and that's just an unfortunate fact. Eventually things will get better in the future. The doomer mindset has already taken so many it's ridiculous.

 

[_account]

A lot of people are quick to give up because of corruption. The church has had some pretty bad moments within history. But it's not forever, these periods of degenerate influence will happen and that's just an unfortunate fact. Eventually things will get better in the future. The doomer mindset has already taken so many it's ridiculous.

Doomer mindset? The complete collapse.of the Vatican's power would usher in a golden age for Christianity. Catholism is a legitimate blight. Just look at your pfp, not to mention @Groypxis's pfp. TCD.

 

[istanbul]

A lot of people are quick to give up because of corruption. The church has had some pretty bad moments within history. But it's not forever, these periods of degenerate influence will happen and that's just an unfortunate fact. Eventually things will get better in the future. The doomer mindset has already taken so many it's ridiculous.

That's right, goy! Keep being faithful to the Church! Jesus would've wanted it to be more progressive too.

 

[Noah]

Doomer mindset? The complete collapse.of the Vatican's power would usher in a golden age for Christianity. Catholism is a legitimate blight. Just look at your pfp, not to mention @Groypxis's pfp. TCD.

Well firstly I wasn't replying to your comment. And secondly I'm not a groyper they're gay and retarded so don't associate me with that guy. Also why do you hate catholicism are you some tradlarper or what?

 

[_account]

Well firstly I wasn't replying to your comment. And secondly I'm not a groyper they're gay and retarded so don't associate me with that guy. Also why do you hate catholicism are you some tradlarper or what?

I'm a Christian

 

[Joe Biden]

Doomer mindset? The complete collapse.of the Vatican's power would usher in a golden age for Christianity. Catholism is a legitimate blight. Just look at your pfp, not to mention @Groypxis's pfp. TCD.

Not really though. Catholicism is an institution with more power than a lot of countries, it used to even greater than what it is right now. Every other christian structure is directly influenced by the existence and power of the Catholic Church, whether they like it or not. Sure, it can be a force for bad and historically it has been even worse than this, like during the crusades during the sack of Constantinople, the debacle during the management of the reformation and so on and so forth, but it still is today a great force for good.

The influence of the catholic church on politics is what allows for example abortion to not be fully embraced by a lot of countries who's governments wish they could openly admit into their constitution (even if because of Francis' current way of talking makes it very blurry and has allowed some slips to happen).

If catholicism ceased suddenly to exist, other christians wouldn't benefit from it. Christianity would suddenly pass from the 1st religion in the world in terms of sheer numbers from the 2nd or third, and I think that atheists would benefit the most from it, followed by muslims. A lot of catholics and christians would be shaken because of this event and a great apostasy would follow. You're thinking too harshly too fast here.

 

[Noah]

That's right, goy! Keep being faithful to the Church! Jesus would've wanted it to be more progressive too.

Before Vatican 2 the church officially declared the jews killed christ. Jesus would never want a globohomo progressive church where are you getting that from.

 

[_account]

Not really though. Catholicism is an institution with more power than a lot of countries, it used to even greater than what it is right now. Every other christian structure is directly influenced by the existence and power of the Catholic Church, whether they like it or not. Sure, it can be a force for bad and historically it has been even worse than this, like during the crusades during the sack of Constantinople, the debacle during the management of the reformation and so on and so forth, but it still is today a great force for good.

The influence of the catholic church on politics is what allows for example abortion to not be fully embraced by a lot of countries who's governments wish they could openly admit into their constitution (even if because of Francis' current way of talking makes it very blurry and has allowed some slips to happen).

If catholicism ceased suddenly to exist, other christians wouldn't benefit from it. Christianity would suddenly pass from the 1st religion in the world in terms of sheer numbers from the 2nd or third, and I think that atheists would benefit the most from it, followed by muslims. A lot of catholics and christians would be shaken because of this event and a great apostasy would follow. You're thinking too harshly too fast here.

Is it a numbers game? Christians have always been a global minority and selling out your principles to boost your numbers (like what Catholics have been doing) is wrong.

 

[Erblicken]

the church will continue to funnel money from poor, stupid browns.
mexicans and closeted homosexuals will continue to larp as le based and tradcath crusaders online.
the church will continue to lose influence as people realize that catholics are all perverted freaks who worship mary.

 

[Joe Biden]

Is it a numbers game? Christians have always been a global minority and selling out your principles to boost your numbers (like what Catholics have been doing) is wrong.

I think I've already stated my opinion on this, but numbers, at least sociologically and psychologically have weight to me.
Again, if a god claims that he is universal, and that his religion is universal, and that salvation passes ONLY through faith in him and his religion, if the total number of followers amount to 5, then I doubt it is true. Sure, this is extreme, but the fact that christianity has managed to become the most believed set of truths over the centuries, that the Bible is the most sold and read book in the whole world, to me has SOME weight to it. It doesn't prove shit but it proves to me that there's something functional in it.

 

[istanbul]

Before Vatican 2 the church officially declared the jews killed christ.

The Church declared a lot of things. If you are going to pick and choose which ones to be outraged over then isn't the Church's authority meaningless?

 

[_account]

I think I've already stated my opinion on this, but numbers, at least sociologically and psychologically have weight to me.
Again, if a god claims that he is universal, and that his religion is universal, and that salvation passes ONLY through faith in him and his religion, if the total number of followers amount to 5, then I doubt it is true. Sure, this is extreme, but the fact that christianity has managed to become the most believed set of truths over the centuries to me has SOME weight to it. It doesn't prove shit but it proves to me that there's something functional in it.

Everyone was part of the church when they would be killed if they weren't, but guess what? That didn't save their souls. That's all the counts to me. The biggest numbers in history count for nothing if they're all trapped in a vicious cycle of ritualistic legalism.

 

[Joe Biden]

The Church declared a lot of things. If you are going to pick and choose which ones to be outraged over then isn't the Church's authority meaningless?

Very powerful argument, but the catholic faith does have a system of truths that MUST be believed in and truths that are open to belief or not. I think from my understanding that this basically amounts to the catechism.

 

[Joe Biden]

Everyone was part of the church when they would be killed if they weren't, but guess what? That didn't save their souls. That's all the counts to me. The biggest numbers in history count for nothing if they're all trapped in a vicious cycle of ritualistic legalism.

If you are talking about the middle ages, I don't think that it was like that at all.
Peasants were not forced into believing, they believed because that was just the norm of their upbringing, and they had no reason to question it, I don't doubt their salvation because of it. If not I don't get what you're saying. Colonialism ?