Discussion is christian libertarianism possible?

[ILoveCoals]

Joseph de Maistre or GTFO

 

[FAGGOT!!!!!!!!!!!!]

Libertarianism, minarchism, and capitalism go against the values of Christianity. American conservatives are deluded.

 

[basil]

idk what means but yes i am one

 

[DonutHole]

BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP

 

[Gigafly]

Libertarianism, minarchism, and capitalism go against the values of Christianity. American conservatives are deluded.

fingering yourself also goes against Christianity

 

[FAGGOT!!!!!!!!!!!!]

fingering yourself also goes against Christianity

Yeah, I know. I had a lapse of judgement. We all sin sometimes, but if we ask for forgiveness, Chúa Giê Su will forgive us.

 

[Gigafly]

Yeah, I know. I had a lapse of judgement. We all sin sometimes, but if we ask for forgiveness, Chúa Giê Su will forgive us.

Jesus might forgive you but i wont
oil up nigga

 

[FAGGOT!!!!!!!!!!!!]

Jesus might forgive you but i wont
oil up nigga

ARE YOU THE ONE WHO'S BEEN DMING ME TO OIL UP ON REDDIT?!

 

[Gigafly]

ARE YOU THE ONE WHO'S BEEN DMING ME TO OIL UP ON REDDIT?!

Yep

 

[FAGGOT!!!!!!!!!!!!]

Yep

I don't believe you. Tell me your 'dit username here or dm your shlog user in the 'dit DM

 

[Gigafly]

I don't believe you. Tell me your 'dit username here or dm your shlog user in the 'dit DM

A lot of talking, and yet an apparent lack of oiling up
guess i have to do it raw

 

[Ree Vannin]

Yes. Actually, the Catholic Church has a long history of supporting various republican and autonomist movements across Europe and probably around the world. Absolutism is usually a Protestant thing.

 

[JC Denton]

Christianity, that is true Christianity is incompatible with freedom of speech, freedom of religion, gender equality and so on. The answer is a very clear no.

This will make people hate christianity if it's put into action. People hate being oppressed yknow xis

 

[FAGGOT!!!!!!!!!!!!]

Yes. Actually, the Catholic Church has a long history of supporting various republican and autonomist movements across Europe and probably around the world. Absolutism is usually a Protestant thing.

Opposite, actually. Catholicism is more authoritarian than protestantism

 

[JC Denton]

Monarchy isn't oppression.

Taking away freedom of speech and religion is.

 

[Ree Vannin]

Opposite, actually. Catholicism is more authoritarian than protestantism

That's not true, at least historically. Protestantism has always been tied to the state, and in most Protestant empires the head of the church was the monarch. Catholics actively supported republican and regionalist movements in Germany, Austria, France, Spain, and Italy.

 

[Chimperator]

 

[JC Denton]

Fine. I'm pro-oppression then. I don't mind oppressing the enemies of Christ until they convert. Freedom is for amerimutts anyway.

I don't think forcing people to convert is a good way to spread your religion. This makes people half assedly practice your religion and soon enough you'll see sects that don't care about god or christ and only want to reach their wordly goals by pretending to be christians. One of the reasons that christianity worked during its early days was that people accepted it by their own volition and hence they became loyal and avid practitioners.

 

[FAGGOT!!!!!!!!!!!!]

That's not true, at least historically. Protestantism has always been tied to the state, and in most Protestant empires the head of the church was the monarch. Catholics actively supported republican and regionalist movements in Germany, Austria, France, Spain, and Italy.

Catholicism and Orthodoxy says that their church is the only true church while Protestantism accepts most Christian denominations. Just because Protestantism was tied to the state doesn't mean that it was more authoritarian. Ideologically, Protestantism is more libertarian than Catholicism. Many mainline Protestant churches accept homosexuals, and Protestants are more lax on church rituals, such as whether church should be mandatory for Christians, or how you should go about seeking forgiveness from God. Catholics have a hierarchical centralized church structure while Protestants don't.

 

[Ree Vannin]

The pope after the French revolution supported the monarchy instead of republics though. Catholics cucked out a bit later, perhaps during the mid 19th century or so.
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^ they somehow went from this to today's retardation. What being a heretic does to a mf I guess.

That's true, but the French Republic, despite all democratic fetishism, was more authoritarian and centralized state than the French Kingdom. I think there's just confusion in terms. Monarchies can be libertarian and republics can be totalitarian. Absolute Monarchy, whose inhabitants live according to the various laws of provinces, free cities, counties duchies, and church lands, is more libertarian than a parliamentary republic, where each citizen is subject to a sole constitution and criminal code.

I think the best example here is the massacres committed by French revolutionaries in different regions. When they came to power, they “suddenly” realized that they lived in a diverse state with a variety of unique regional cultures, so they didn't think of anything better than just slaughtering anyone who didn't resemble a Parisian.

Catholicism and Orthodoxy says that their church is the only true church while Protestantism accepts most Christian denominations.

The first thing the Protestants did wherever they came to power was to slaughter first the Catholics and then other Protestants.

Just because Protestantism was tied to the state doesn't mean that it was more authoritarian.

No, that's exactly what it means. The church cannot be non-authoritarian if it is literally a department of the state.

Ideologically, Protestantism is more libertarian than Catholicism.

No, because Protestantism is tied to the state. Even Americans, who were comfortable with other religions, separated their Anglicanism from British Anglicanism right after the Revolution.

Protestant churches accept homosexuals

Again, because they are state departments. If the state allows marriages with animals, Protestant churches will start approving it. If the state declares blacks non-human, they will start preaching about it.


Catholics are less authoritarian because they have minimal ties to the state. It's that simple. The question of authoritarianism and libertarianism is not a question of gay marriage, it's a question of state interference in people's lives.