The land of the free?

[ILoveVesna]

theres also many groups today working against abortion like 40 days for life and Christian coalition of america

 

[Aedra]

You can also protest against abortion or just move to places without it. Abortion is already becoming illegal in many US states.

Support for it is increasing and even Trump has stated that he doesn't intend to bring a total ban on it anymore.

Not only that abortion and contraception still existed in some areas during medieval times, on top of dying from getting a scrape.

Again with the attempt at saying "it was the same but worse". You'd be executed for engaging in abortion back then buddy. It was not socially acceptable. And dying wasn't as easy as you make it out to be.

The average lifespan was below 30

False.

Old age isn’t a modern phenomenon – many people lived long enough to grow old in the olden days, too

There is a common misperception that long life spans in humans are very recent, and that no one in the past lived much beyond their 30s before now. This is not true. There is physical evidence that plenty of people in the past lived long lives — just as long as some people do today. Anthropology...

sc.edu

and literally every religion ever killed each other over believing in different gods or whatever.

Most conflicts in the middle ages were small in scale and didn't involve commoners. The most destructive war in all of human history was fought in your age (WW2), not theirs. I always laugh when modern people talk about the middle ages being violent or whatever. Look at yourself in the mirror first, I don't remember medieval peasants putting feeble-minded children in gas chambers.

 

[ILoveVesna]

False.

true doe
https://content.ucpress.edu/chapters/11633.ch01.pdf
I can also use dtm stage 2 countries pop. statistics to help show this.

all these show larger concentration in younger age cohorts, with very little in the older ages. And these are all stage 2 in dtm, where death rate is dying. All of medieval europe was in stage 1 of dtm, with high birthrates and high deaths. This would only make their graph more focused on the younger population with people very rarely getting to anything above 60.

 

[Aedra]

true doe
https://content.ucpress.edu/chapters/11633.ch01.pdf
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all these show larger concentration in younger age cohorts, with very little in the older ages. And these are all stage 2 in dtm, where death rate is dying. All of medieval europe was in stage 1 of dtm, with high birthrates and high deaths. This would only make their graph more focused on the younger population with people very rarely getting to anything above 60.
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It's false though, this is established in historical studies. It's due to infant mortality bringing the average age down. You can deny it if you want but that's just how it is. The person who made it past the age of 5 would most likely see his 60's. I linked to you something that you most likely didn't read.

 

[ILoveVesna]

It's false though, this is established in historical studies. It's due to infant mortality bringing the average age down. You can deny it if you want but that's just how it is. The person who made it past the age of 5 would most likely see his 60's. I linked to you a link that you most likely didn't read.

I control f to look for lifespan

 

[Dr Frumpus Croid]

I don't remember medieval peasants putting feeble-minded children in gas chambers.

Oy vey! Remember the 6 quintillion!

 

[ILoveVesna]

It's false though, this is established in historical studies. It's due to infant mortality bringing the average age down. You can deny it if you want but that's just how it is. The person who made it past the age of 5 would most likely see his 60's. I linked to you something that you most likely didn't read.

but going off data it still shows a bias towards younger people and lower lifespans.

 

[Aedra]

Oy vey! Remember the 6 quintillion!

Remember the slavs and the mentally ill children first.

but going off data it still shows a bias towards younger people and lower lifespans.

Yeah, younger people obviously are in bigger numbers than the old. I consider that to be the sign of a healthy demography.

 

[ILoveVesna]

Yeah, younger people obviously are in bigger numbers than the old. I consider that to be the sign of a healthy demography.

a healthy population would be where almost everyone gets old.

 

[Chairman]

world is more connected than ever
churches for literally any religion ever are everywhere
only reason people arent is because they choose to
world advanced enough to where people have to choose to be poor stupid retard atheists instead of having that life forced on them.
People can live longer and more fulfilling lives now. Most just choose not to.

Sometimes people ask me
Of all of the centuries
Which I'd pick to live life in
Well, that's pretty easy
Right now!
If you think objectively
If you like hot running water
And memory foam beds
And TV shows and cell phones
And not being dead!
You f#!&ing love science!

 

[Aedra]

a healthy population would be where almost everyone gets old.

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>pulls out demographics relating to the first world countries where birth rates are collapsing and calls it healthy

Lul. Your old population outnumbers your young at this point, you think that's a good thing? Anyway, there's a whole youth quake coming out of most African countries as we speak, you get to dominate the future when you outnumber your opponents. You people in the west live in such comfort that you forgot how to do the most basic things. The white man is weak, he cannot even dry his clothes without the help of his machines.

 

[Chairman]

a healthy population would be where almost everyone gets old.

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No: The optimal population would have a population pyramid that is literally a pyramid. Large numbers of strong & ambitious young people who supply large amounts of labor and are still able to reproduce and grow the population. These Western population 'pyramids' are indicative of a nation in decline. It's not healthy when the current pubescent generation aren't having any kids.

 

[Aedra]

Oy vey! Remember the 6 quintillion!

Btw not everyone who refuses to shill for your nazi ideology is a kike lover. So I don't get what point you're trying to make by saying this. I'm not self hating like you are, sorry to disappoint.

 

[X Immigrant]

Maybe, it was a joke? Holocaust denial is basic rationalization and using empirical evidence.

 

[Aedra]

Maybe, it was a joke? Holocaust denial is basic rationalization and using empirical evidence.

I am not referring to the holocaust. I am referring to the murder of mentally ill people in the T4 program (utter anathema) and the genocides committed against slavs. As for the holocaust, there was very clearly a genocide but I'd question the scale of it, 6 million doesn't seem realistic to me either.

 

[X Immigrant]

>Genetically disabled and retarded people
Meh, I don't think they should be outright murdered, but in an ideal society they wouldn't breed. My preferred government can't enforce that, but I'd like to see a culture that doesn't promote it and outright despises it.

 

[Aedra]

>Genetically disabled and retarded people
Meh, I don't think they should be outright murdered, but in an ideal society they wouldn't breed. My preferred government can't enforce that, but I'd like to see a culture that doesn't promote it and outright despises it.

Orthodoxy conflicts with that idea buddy.

 

[X Immigrant]

How does it conflict with not wanting people to produce mentally retarded children?

 

[Aedra]

How does it conflict with not wanting people to produce mentally retarded children?

The Views of Orthodox Theology on Bioethical Issues

On the one hand, another tragedy like the Tower of Babel must be avoided; on the other hand, human beings must find meaning in life and communion with God.

www.pelagia.org

8) The deciphering of DNA may pose another bioethical problem in the future. If there are major advances in biomedical research, it will be possible to foresee some illnesses which are likely to affect babies before and after birth. This will give rise to bioethical dilemmas, as it will pose the problem of whether to kill the newborn or unborn baby, if, of course, these illnesses are incurable. If this happens, humankind will enter an era of eugenics and euthanasia, with a society composed solely of healthy people. This is unacceptable to the Orthodox Church.

Why would Jesus tell you to help the poor if the idea was to kill them? Why did Jesus heal the blind and touch lepers? This one isn't even open to debate. Ask any priest and you'll get the exact same answer.

 

[X Immigrant]

Help them in any way they can, but a way to help suffering in general is prevent the birth of a child that will suffer for the rest of their life.

I'm not even saying to kill the person, what's got you in a bunch?