TRVTHNVKE Tamil oldest language

BIGGEST TRVKE OF THE HIGHEST DEGREE
No,because in the Hindu religion it is said that the lord Shiva sent two members agasthiyar to create Tamil and panini to create Sanskrit.

agasthiyar

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panini munivar

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Dear all… one answer i got….its too radical…. presently he himself deleted his answer….his answer as follows…“Shiva Shankar replied to your comment on an answer to: "What are the scientific proofs available that Tamil is the oldest language than Sanskrit?"Tamil or any Indian language except Sanskrit (now Hindi is in the List) respect other Indian languages and culture. They never claim them as supreme of all culture and poke nose in them.Many does not know even in philosophical term “Vedantha” of North is completely different to “Siddantha” of South. South never accept the “avatar” concept itself.What you are speaking high in Vedas or any epics is appropriate to North only.Tamil has 5 vedas and North has only 4. Sanskrit collect information across entire India and compile them. So it is not simply sanskrit contribution alone.Tamil has cultural duty to find the history of every tribes in North to South and across many nationsEspecially in Orissa which has the India’s highest tribes who settled in peaceful way.If you want to know how Tamils can integrate Indian culture, You can see Orissa former IAS officer Mr. Balakrishnan.He is appointed as chief Advisor of Orissa government.He is the one to reveal how the Sangam age life mentioned in Tamil literature is still practiced in Orissa though it get lost in Tamilnadu.He generally says “Orissa is the living laboratory of Tamil sangam life”.
With language we can unite people through out the world.With all these Tamils mentioned before 2500 years before
“Every place in the world is our home town and every one in the world are kith and kin””My question was very clear…. Even a TAMIL PRIEST WILL CHANT MANTRAS AND VEDAS IN SANSKRIT..LOOK AT VISHNU SAHASRANAMAM… SUPRABATHAM…I repeat the prayers in every tamil temple is chanted in SANSKRIT not TAMIL..SANSKRIT IS scholarly Language… even the FATHER OF TAMIL LANGUAGE..AGASTYASREE MAHA MUNI … PLEASE REFER Agastya - WikipediaHe invented Tamil grammar… HE is VEDIC SAGE.. VEDAS were chanted in SANSKRIT…. BAGAVATGITA… RAMAYANA were written in SANSKRITAGASTYA MADE JOURNEY FROM NORTH TO SOUTHI repeat my statement … TAMIL is NOMAD language…THE WRITTEN PROOFS OF THE OLDEST LANGUAGE FOR CIVILIZATION IS GIVEN BY SANSKRIT…I STAY NEAR TRIVANDRUM…. 60 KMS to AGASTYAKOODAM… YOU ARE FREE TO ASK MORE QUERIES…P.S. HINDI script is similar to SANSKRIT …doesnt mean or doesnt indicate SANSKRIT is HINDI…STOP THE RADICAL NATURE AND ACCEPT THE TRUTH…NEED ANY EVIDENCES FEEL FREE TO SHARE
 
You don’t have to decode a Big-Bang theory to discover that Sanskrit is a semi-artificial literary dialect that was never a spoken language for any one in the world.

The authority of Sanskrit Language, the celebrated Seer of Kanchi Sankara Mutt, Mahaswamy. Shri. Chandraserakarendra Saraswati, says clearly that SANSKRIT WAS NEVER A MOTHER TONGUE TO ANY ONE IN THE WORLD!
Do you require a better scholar of Sanskrit to vouch His declaration?
A FRAUD ON INDIA AND THE PEOPLE OF INDIA! : Congress Rulers in Delhi and Karnataka fooled the Nation by creating and maintaining an artificial village with tutored Sanskrit speakers only to keep Sanskrit in the list of Scheduled Languages of India. This is being maintained by all central Governments.
Do not get confused with Vedic Language and sanskrit Language. Both are altogether different ones.
Vedic Language was a oral spoken language of vedic Aryans who were vagabonds (tribals) of European sects. The fact that all European Languages and Vedic, sanskrit Languages come under the family of Indo-European Languages is a clear testimony that Sanskrit is not a Native Language of Indian soil.
Indo-European family of Languages have the following Subdivisions: Albanian, Armenian, Balto-Slavic (Baltic and Slavic languages), Celtic, Germanic, Hellenic (including Greek), Indo-Iranian (Indo-Aryan, Iranian, and Nuristani), Italic (including Romance languages), Anatolian, Illyrian, Daco-Thracian, Tocharian.
One can see that Sanskrit is a Indo-Aryan language of Indo-Iranian sub-group of Indo-european family of Languages. From the name Indo-Aryan, any one can understand that both Aryan and Sanskrit are not native languages of India.
For instance, Anglicans are natives of England and Indians are natives of India. When Anglicans invaded and ruled India, some Angicans married Indians and these mixings gave birth to a new class of ethnicity called Anglo-Indians.
Can Anglo-Indians claim earlier nativity to India than the native Indian?
The answer is a CLEAR "NO"
Similary Indo-Aryans are the new ethnicity came into existence in Indian sub-continent after Aryan Invasion and they married Indian women to produce Indo-Aryans and Indo-Aryan Languages. Indo-Aryans can never have nativity earlier than the ethnic natives.

Again, why the orthography and phonetics of Vedic and sanskrit Languages are different from their sister Indo-European Languages?

The chronological ORDER of Listing phonetic Vowels separately, phonetic Consonants separately, Consonantal Vowels separately (the composite phonetic alphabets obtained by the ad-mixing of every vowel with every other consonants) is very unique to all native Indian Languages that have orthographic roots in Tamil, the only spoken ancient Classic Language of India.
How did Sanskrit and Vedic languages, a member of the non-native Indo-European family of Languages, get their orthography and phonetics identical with that of Tamil, but did not get the orthography genes of their European sister languages?
The answer is very clear - Vedic and Sanskrit Languages have adopted the world's first ever spoken language, namely Tamil Language, after coming to India (where all Indian Native Languages had similar orthography and phonetics).
Can you Compare the two Incomparable Languages, Tamil, the oldest classical spoken language of the world that is native to India, with Sanskrit, a semi-artificial literary dialect of the Vedic Language (Vedic language was once Spoken, but is a DEAD LANGUAGE today), that has its foreign roots in Europe?
Can a language like Vedic or Sanskrit that has copied verbatim the entire Orthography and Phonetics from Tamil Language claim scientific temper?
I shall give you a mocking example for the scientific content of Vedas.
Some Vedic hymns are sung in praise of rain God for cutting the flying black mountains(pregnant black clouds) with his sword(lightning)!
Such were the maturity levels of primitive Vedic folks who composed such Vedic Hymns in praise of Lord Varna!
Now, coming to your question. Can this Aryan Vedic Folk song be Scientific?
If they are be it!

  • Vedas (Vedic hymes) are Aryan race’s folk tradition outcomes that has authorship only with the Aryan Race but not with individual authors, evolved when the Aryans did not have Alphabets and Numbers (no orthography).
  • Tamils’ Sangam Literature, the contributions of individual Tamil Sangam era scholarly poets, (who had a well developed classical language having a written Grammar supported by a phonetic orthography,) are the hall marks of Human Civilization and Scientific Temper!
Can you compare the maturity of the Tamil Sangam Literature with the Aryan Race Folk songs like Vedas?

The language ‘Sanskrit’, as its name reveals, is a bettered, corrected, semi-artificial language formed from the best features of Tamil Orthography and vocabulary of Prakrit and Vedic Languages.

  1. Panini wrote the Grammar ‘Astathyaayi’ for a language (that came to existence after Vedic and before Sanskrit) he called ‘Bhasha’. He did not write ‘Astathyaayi’ for Sanskrit.
  2. Three Centuries after the period of Panini, Sanskrit was created in first century AD. The creators of Sanskrit adopted the Panini’s Grammar.
  3. The creators of Sanskrit grouped alphabets as Shiva Sutras to fool people that Sanskrit was created by Lord Shiva! Panini did not commit such foolish act of cheating people in the name of Lord Shiva!
  4. Can such a dubious language Sanskrit be the “lingua Franca” of Bharat varsh?!! Let Lord Shiva save Bharat!!
  5. Was Sanskrit ever existed as Everybody's Language?
    1. Better consult Manu Smriti that specifies the punishment of pouring molten metal into the ears of any Sutra who overheard Sanskrit utterance by accident!
    2. Sanskrit remained the Language of Aryan Brahmans only, till recently.
  6. There is a millennium gap between Sanskrit and Vedic Language.
  7. The first Sanskrit literature was created by Kalidasa between 4th–5th century Christian Era.
  8. The age of Sangam literature are at least 600 years ahead of the creation of Sanskrit Language.
There is nothing called ‘Vedic Sanskrit’ (that ever existed)! It was just Vedic Language!!
Remember that, in Tamil, folk songs are treated as folk songs only.
Tamils don’t fool around others posing the Folk songs as the media to connect with Gods as Aryans do!

Now you can pose questions like
Did Tamil really originate before Python? Which one is the more scientific?
Did Tamil really originate before C Language? Which one is the more scientific?
Did Tamil really originate before Fortran Language? Which one is the more scientific?
Did Tamil really originate before Cobol? Which one is the more scientific?
 
Now you can pose questions like
Did Tamil really originate before Python? Which one is the more scientific?
Did Tamil really originate before C Language? Which one is the more scientific?
Did Tamil really originate before Fortran Language? Which one is the more scientific?
Did Tamil really originate before Cobol? Which one is the more scientific?
ONE CANNOT COMPARE A LIVING CLASSICAL LANGUAGE WITH A NON-BORN SEMI-ARTIFICIAL LITERARY DIALECT. CAN ANY ONE COMPARE A COMPUTER LANGUAGES LIKE ‘C’, ‘C++’, ‘JAVA’, ‘PYTHON’ ETC. WITH ANY SPOKEN LANGUAGE OF HUMAN BEINGS?
I forgot if these were the same guy since I don't check names but it's funny how they mention programming languages to discredit sanskrit
 
There is a saying that when lord Shiva twisted the udukai (music instrument of Shiva) there one end was with Tamil language and other end was with Sanskrit.

Still now there is great debate which one is older.

Both languages exchanged the words each other.

From my perspective the Tamil would be little older than Sanskrit since the kumari kandam (lost Lemuria) had Tamil language and there lived a species called yali. It was pretend to be like dinosaur which was controlled by Tamilan for war purposes. So There may be chance that Tamil was so closer to stone age era. Since those dinosaur are our ancestry of living things.

Apart from which is older both holds a lot of ethical and cultural values. So i would learn both and it's goods rather arguing with it.

Jai hind…
 
Many Many Millenia ago - roughly around 5500 BC or so - A Flourishing Civilization existed where you have Tamilnadu, Kerala, Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh / Telengana.

A Very Powerful Civilization

It was centered around a place called KURAGAY that later became Korkai

An Eternal named Kartikeya was sent to this place and he taught and built the entire civilization with two other eternals named Shakti and Permaul.

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Thus was created a Language that was a combination of the Celestials Language URGU & the Language spoken by the Locals of the region which didnt have a name.

Thousands of Traders migrated from this Powerful Kingdom and spread this language which combined with other local dialects formed the basis of Hebrew and many other old Languages.

TAM meant Pure

MEEZH meant Sounds

Thus the word Tammeezh or Tamizh was created to denote this language - around 3500 BC.


Then came the First Great Drought

The Great Civilization migrated Westwards onto Africa where they continued their glory of conquests

The Existing Kingdoms in Korkai were small offshoots and shadows of their erstwhile greatness.

The Eternals had Departed

Yet the locals worshipped them and when the Aryans arrived - the Eternals and the Aryan Gods merged into one

RUDR - The Warrior God of the Indo-Aryans merged with the Celestial God - SEEVA or Siva of the Kurgay People

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The Fertility Goddess of the Indo-Aryans merged with the Eternal - SAKTHI or SHAKTI of the Kurgay People

The Eternal Kartikeya created by the Celestial Siva -became known also as Dandapani - the wielder of the Mace

NIRAYAN (Narayan)- The Protector God of the Indo Aryans merged with the Eternal God - PERMAUL or PERUMAL of the Kurgay People

The Indo- Aryans did not speak Tamizh in the beginning but slowly they began to incorporate their lanuage elements into Tamizh - thus creating two distinct branches - Sentamizh - Pure Language without the Indo Aryan Elements & Malai Aalam Mizh - Language mixed with Indo Aryan Elements spoken by Deep Mountain Dwelling Natives

Malai Aalam Mizh - became Malayalam
Meds, Indo-European/Aryan and IVC is newer than Afroasiatic by over 1000 years, Egypt/Sumeria has evidence of writing before the IVC, the Minoans, and the Scythians
 
Tamil is probably the closest similar language group to IVC and was spoken by a different phenotype than your average T50 asian-hunter-gatherer pajeet rajesh just like Persian and Sanskrit is
Both are 3000-2000BC while Egypt, Sumeria, and Akkad is like 6000bce
 
This legend is probably encoding the formation myth of Harappa but archaeology indicates that Harappa is a newfag compared to Babylon
Egypt remains unchallenged I guess
 
Tamil might be one of the oldest living but that's hairsplitting at this point cause you can consider the split-languages like the Romance languages to Vulgar Latin as technically still living. Or at least Italian.
 
And Coptic is still spoken liturgically, being a descendent from Egyptian.
 
Meds, Indo-European/Aryan and IVC is newer than Afroasiatic by over 1000 years, Egypt/Sumeria has evidence of writing before the IVC, the Minoans, and the Scythians
You're just jealous of Tamil supremacy. What is your agenda?
 
But they developed writing before Sumer. The logical conclusion is:
1. Sumer is formed in c. 5500 BC
2. Indus script develops in c. 3500 BC
3. Through historical trade relations between Mesapotamia and India, the Sumerians get the idea to show writing in symbols.
4. Cuneiform is developed around c. 3100 BC
 
But they developed writing before Sumer. The logical conclusion is:
1. Sumer is formed in c. 5500 BC
2. Indus script develops in c. 3500 BC
3. Through historical trade relations between Mesapotamia and India, the Sumerians get the idea to show writing in symbols.
4. Cuneiform is developed around c. 3100 BC
Yeah bro they developed writing before the actual city
Induscord lost
I bet you think Persians are some tough shit too
 
Yeah bro they developed writing before the actual city
Induscord lost
I bet you think Persians are some tough shit too
IndusGODS won
Seethe sumertranny, also developing writing before the formation of the city isn't that weird
 
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