TRVTHNVKE Tamil oldest language

[SoytanEnthusiast]

Many Many Millenia ago - roughly around 5500 BC or so - A Flourishing Civilization existed where you have Tamilnadu, Kerala, Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh / Telengana.

A Very Powerful Civilization

It was centered around a place called KURAGAY that later became Korkai

An Eternal named Kartikeya was sent to this place and he taught and built the entire civilization with two other eternals named Shakti and Permaul.

Thus was created a Language that was a combination of the Celestials Language URGU & the Language spoken by the Locals of the region which didnt have a name.

Thousands of Traders migrated from this Powerful Kingdom and spread this language which combined with other local dialects formed the basis of Hebrew and many other old Languages.

TAM meant Pure

MEEZH meant Sounds

Thus the word Tammeezh or Tamizh was created to denote this language - around 3500 BC.

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Then came the First Great Drought

The Great Civilization migrated Westwards onto Africa where they continued their glory of conquests

The Existing Kingdoms in Korkai were small offshoots and shadows of their erstwhile greatness.

The Eternals had Departed

Yet the locals worshipped them and when the Aryans arrived - the Eternals and the Aryan Gods merged into one

RUDR - The Warrior God of the Indo-Aryans merged with the Celestial God - SEEVA or Siva of the Kurgay People

The Fertility Goddess of the Indo-Aryans merged with the Eternal - SAKTHI or SHAKTI of the Kurgay People

The Eternal Kartikeya created by the Celestial Siva -became known also as Dandapani - the wielder of the Mace

NIRAYAN (Narayan)- The Protector God of the Indo Aryans merged with the Eternal God - PERMAUL or PERUMAL of the Kurgay People

The Indo- Aryans did not speak Tamizh in the beginning but slowly they began to incorporate their lanuage elements into Tamizh - thus creating two distinct branches - Sentamizh - Pure Language without the Indo Aryan Elements & Malai Aalam Mizh - Language mixed with Indo Aryan Elements spoken by Deep Mountain Dwelling Natives

Malai Aalam Mizh - became Malayalam

 

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[Steve]

Many Many Millenia ago - roughly around 5500 BC or so - A Flourishing Civilization existed where you have Tamilnadu, Kerala, Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh / Telengana.

A Very Powerful Civilization

It was centered around a place called KURAGAY that later became Korkai

An Eternal named Kartikeya was sent to this place and he taught and built the entire civilization with two other eternals named Shakti and Permaul.

Thus was created a Language that was a combination of the Celestials Language URGU & the Language spoken by the Locals of the region which didnt have a name.

Thousands of Traders migrated from this Powerful Kingdom and spread this language which combined with other local dialects formed the basis of Hebrew and many other old Languages.

TAM meant Pure

MEEZH meant Sounds

Thus the word Tammeezh or Tamizh was created to denote this language - around 3500 BC.

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Then came the First Great Drought

The Great Civilization migrated Westwards onto Africa where they continued their glory of conquests

The Existing Kingdoms in Korkai were small offshoots and shadows of their erstwhile greatness.

The Eternals had Departed

Yet the locals worshipped them and when the Aryans arrived - the Eternals and the Aryan Gods merged into one

RUDR - The Warrior God of the Indo-Aryans merged with the Celestial God - SEEVA or Siva of the Kurgay People

The Fertility Goddess of the Indo-Aryans merged with the Eternal - SAKTHI or SHAKTI of the Kurgay People

The Eternal Kartikeya created by the Celestial Siva -became known also as Dandapani - the wielder of the Mace

NIRAYAN (Narayan)- The Protector God of the Indo Aryans merged with the Eternal God - PERMAUL or PERUMAL of the Kurgay People

The Indo- Aryans did not speak Tamizh in the beginning but slowly they began to incorporate their lanuage elements into Tamizh - thus creating two distinct branches - Sentamizh - Pure Language without the Indo Aryan Elements & Malai Aalam Mizh - Language mixed with Indo Aryan Elements spoken by Deep Mountain Dwelling Natives

Malai Aalam Mizh - became Malayalam

Why don't the eternals come back and help the Indian people? They can not even find toilets to shit in, or is that their preferred way of life and those who strayed are actually failures in the eyes of the eternals.

 

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SAAAR YOU BASTAR KUCH AURRR

 

[SoytanEnthusiast]

Why don't the eternals come back and help the Indian people? They can not even find toilets to shit in, or is that their preferred way of life and those who strayed are actually failures in the eyes of the eternals.

Well not all indians are the same, can't you read that they conquered africa too, your ancestors were indian

 

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Do you know about thiruvalluvar

He wrote a kural 24 BCDo you know about Tholkaapiyam

He wrote a tholkaapiyam 300BcDo you know about "Keeladi culture "

Found 5000 years ago fossils and also discovered oldest word of "ANDHUVAN" we have all evidence ..Only one language was learnt with triple type of methods for one language, thats forum is located in Madhurai.......

 

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[Steve]

Well not all indians are the same, can't you read that they conquered africa too, your ancestors were indian

Indians are so retarded because I'm genuinely confused in who thinks this is true as its well documented that the Indo-Aryan languages descend from PIE it wasn't given to us by "god" (what Indians consider to be god). Civilizations that don't adopt follow Abraham or get outside influence from a God fearing culture can never pursue truth because their pagan religions inhibit that at a low level.

 

[SoytanEnthusiast]

1. Eelam Tamil language spoken in ancient Persian/ summer/ ancient Egypt and other places,

1. This queen name- abi pu ( abi flower ), There are women having name ( Pu / flower ) still in Eelam civilizations , This Queen was one of old Persian queen,
2. Ancient Egypt hieroglyphics signs having 75% of Eelam Tamil words, 1- Ta ( give)-2- Nan ( I), 3- Ka / Ka wal ( Defense/ police ), 4- wai ( mouth ), 5- kal -( leg ),
3. - In old Babylon Hebrew language there are Tamil words available,

1. How can black Tamil gone into Hebrew history?
2. Adamic language I never hear it, sorry,

 

[SoytanEnthusiast]

Indians are so retarded because I'm genuinely confused in who thinks this is true as its well documented that the Indo-Aryan languages descend from PIE it wasn't given to us by "god" (what Indians consider to be god). Civilizations that don't adopt follow Abraham or get outside influence from a God fearing culture can never pursue truth because their pagan religions inhibit that at a low level.

This is a debate indoniggers have, some say sanskrit is the oldest and some say tamil is the oldest. Want me to get some pictures of 'jeets saying sanskrit is the oldest?

 

[SoytanEnthusiast]

Yes, Sanskrit is the oldest language on Earth. This statement is based on facts and proofs. The oldest available literature is Rigveda, according to UN, apart from many scholars and linguists. Sanskrit is not just one language. There is Vedic Sanskrit (Vaidika Samaskrutam) and Wordly Sanskrit (Laukika Samskrutam). Vedic Sanskrit can be found only in Veda Mantra Samhitas and Wordly Sanskrit can be found in all Sanskrit literature other than Veda mantra Samhitas. Vedic Sanskrit is the oldest language with unique grammar and special symbols, which can’t be found in any language including Wordly Sanskrit. Veda Mantras are orally transmitted over many millennia, even today. Veda Mantras, which are in Vedic Sanskrit, can be properly understood by mastering 6 Angas (parts) and 6 Upamgas (subparts). Recitation of Veda Mantras is so unique that it should be mastered over many years of training in the traditional schools called Gurukulas. With knowledge of Worldly Sanskrit, the interpretation of Veda Mantras are not accurate, which is done in the modern era.

In order to understand the uniqueness, greatness, and antiquity of Sanskrit, it is better to go to Gurukulas all over India, rather than universities around the world. Sanskrit can be better understood in Indian languages than foreign ones.

Allow me to give you few hints for the antiquity of Sanskrit,

1. What is the connection between Greek and Latin with Sanskrit? The mother of these three is Vedic Sanskrit.
2. Not one alphabet or syllable of Veda Mantras changed or removed or added over so many millennia. The reason is that they preserved in eight (8) different ways of reciting called Vikruty.
3. The levels of meanings of Veda Mantras are so mesmerizing that it always gives new dimensions each time of interpretation by the real scholars.
4. Sanskrit is having the vastest vocabulary among all world languages. E.g. Elephant has more than 1000 names, which describes each different quality.
5. We can create our own new words in Sanskrit after mastering it.

SANSKRIT IS OLDEST LANGUAGE IN INDIA,AND IT IS MINIMUM 1000 YEARS OLDER THAN TAMIL.There is this useless theory proposed by Europeans about the ARYANS who were from European came to india but there is no such thing happened be it rajput,or maratha or tamil or Bengali ,We all share the same DNA just because random Europeans give some useless theory we need not change our traditional systems, TAMIL IS ULTIMATELY A DAUGHTER LANGUAGE OF SANSKRIT AND OFCOURSE THE SECOND OLDEST LANGUAGE IN INDIA. Due to huge vocabulary of Sanskrit and dificulty of common people to use in day to day life Several languages evolved Tamil, Marathi, Prakrit are one of those.Some retarded people say prakrit or pali is older language, remember that both names are of Sanskrit origin.40% OF TAMIL WORDS ARE OF SANSKRIT ORIGIN MOREOVER,75% TAMIL NAMES ARE OF SANSKRIT ORIGIN.

What's this …SANSKRIT IS OLDEST LANGUAGE IT WAS AND STILL A UNIVERSAL LANGUAGE.. THERE IS MISCONCEPTION THAT TAMIL AND SANSKRIT MIGHT OF EQUAL OLDER LANGUAGE.. U CAN'T HAVE SHLOKAS written and spoken IN OTHER LANGUAGES THAN SANSKRIT…Tamil, kannada,telugu and malayalam are dravidan languages with high influence of SANSKRIT LANGUAGE..If u actually see sanskrit is way way ancient than any other languages…please don't give wrong information anyone please…

1. • Sanskrit is much older than Tamil. Now some people are saying that Tamil is more old. But Sanskrit is the real fruit language. Sanskrit is the first complete language in the world, and Tamil came into being after many other languages like Sanskrit and Hindi appeared in many parts of the world.

Ranveer Allahbadia, the famous YouTuber who promoted Abhijit Chawda, ends up casually telling in his video ‘Was Sex Always a Taboo?’ that the Rigveda was 10,000 years old:

And all this leads to such stuff:

 

[SoytanEnthusiast]

Tamil is the old language, we strongly believe but it is not proved evidentially, but hope one day the truth wins.

Tamil Letter “Aa”

All the south Indian Dravidian languages and many other southeast Asian languages ,African languages are derived from Tamil.

The above statement is not my opinion it is said by many semanticist ,linguistic experts all over the world.

Tamil history dates back to origin of mankind and many american linguistic experts have regarded Tamil as the only language which was once spoken by all the human beings in earth later on due to geographical changes and localisation new languages evolved and people lost their touch with Tamil.

Few examples :

How Kannada words were formed from Tamil

Replace Tamil word “PA”with “HA”

Tamil-Milk-PAALu in Kannada HAALU

Tamil -Tiger -PULI in Kannada HULI

Tamil-Ten -Pathu in Kannada Hathu

Replace Tamil sound “VA” with “BA”

Varala in Tamil

Barala in Kannada

same way in Malayalam which was not having its script till 10–14th century borrowed the Tamil script

Malayalam is ancient Tamil spoken in a fast tone

That is why many Malayalees can understand Tamil but Tamilians cannot understand Malayalam as they do

The sentence formation and the preamble of Grammar of all these south Indian languages were from Tamil.

The order was Ancient Tamil ->Kannada->Telugu

later Malyalam was directly derived from Tamil in AD

In fact the Chera prince who wrote Silapathikaram was one of the well known Tamil writers

When many foreigners believe and give credit to Tamil as the oldest language ,why do Indians and especially south Indians from other states never accept it?

Here is the reason over the time they wanted to be proud of their language and to keep themselves and their language alive in the political arena of India ,each states have their own self written deceptive history book taught from their childhood in their respective states for example in AP and Karnataka it is taught that their language is oldest but they never realize it sounds silly when they read a history which is globally accepted the story is different . it is the Tamil kings whose governors in various parts of Andhra and Karnataka started developing these languages ,Initially Telugu and Kannada and Malayalam were just dialects of Tamil like what we used to have now Chennai Tamil,Kongu Tamil,Tirunelveli Tamil…later on when the Tamil kingdom which ruled entire south India collapsed the local chieftains in AP and Karnataka became rulers of smaller kingdom and connection with mainland was destructed,this led to formation of these languages ..

Later on due to sanskritization of entire India these languages had borrowed lots of words from Sanskrit because these languages were still in growing spree

But Tamil already attaining the level of saturation and high grammar level was the only language to be non Sanskritized .Still there is Sanskrit touch in Tamil it is because of the Brahmins who settled in Dravidian heartland who later started practicing Tamil as the their mother tongue added these words and it can be seen n their dialect of Tamil.

For all those who still claim their language was not derived from TAMIL here is a video link of Alex collier who is an American Expert

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[SoytanEnthusiast]

Yes, Sanskrit is the oldest language on Earth. This statement is based on facts and proofs. The oldest available literature is Rigveda, according to UN, apart from many scholars and linguists. Sanskrit is not just one language. There is Vedic Sanskrit (Vaidika Samaskrutam) and Wordly Sanskrit (Laukika Samskrutam). Vedic Sanskrit can be found only in Veda Mantra Samhitas and Wordly Sanskrit can be found in all Sanskrit literature other than Veda mantra Samhitas. Vedic Sanskrit is the oldest language with unique grammar and special symbols, which can’t be found in any language including Wordly Sanskrit. Veda Mantras are orally transmitted over many millennia, even today. Veda Mantras, which are in Vedic Sanskrit, can be properly understood by mastering 6 Angas (parts) and 6 Upamgas (subparts). Recitation of Veda Mantras is so unique that it should be mastered over many years of training in the traditional schools called Gurukulas. With knowledge of Worldly Sanskrit, the interpretation of Veda Mantras are not accurate, which is done in the modern era.

In order to understand the uniqueness, greatness, and antiquity of Sanskrit, it is better to go to Gurukulas all over India, rather than universities around the world. Sanskrit can be better understood in Indian languages than foreign ones.

Allow me to give you few hints for the antiquity of Sanskrit,

1. What is the connection between Greek and Latin with Sanskrit? The mother of these three is Vedic Sanskrit.
2. Not one alphabet or syllable of Veda Mantras changed or removed or added over so many millennia. The reason is that they preserved in eight (8) different ways of reciting called Vikruty.
3. The levels of meanings of Veda Mantras are so mesmerizing that it always gives new dimensions each time of interpretation by the real scholars.
4. Sanskrit is having the vastest vocabulary among all world languages. E.g. Elephant has more than 1000 names, which describes each different quality.
5. We can create our own new words in Sanskrit after mastering it.

SANSKRIT IS OLDEST LANGUAGE IN INDIA,AND IT IS MINIMUM 1000 YEARS OLDER THAN TAMIL.There is this useless theory proposed by Europeans about the ARYANS who were from European came to india but there is no such thing happened be it rajput,or maratha or tamil or Bengali ,We all share the same DNA just because random Europeans give some useless theory we need not change our traditional systems, TAMIL IS ULTIMATELY A DAUGHTER LANGUAGE OF SANSKRIT AND OFCOURSE THE SECOND OLDEST LANGUAGE IN INDIA. Due to huge vocabulary of Sanskrit and dificulty of common people to use in day to day life Several languages evolved Tamil, Marathi, Prakrit are one of those.Some retarded people say prakrit or pali is older language, remember that both names are of Sanskrit origin.40% OF TAMIL WORDS ARE OF SANSKRIT ORIGIN MOREOVER,75% TAMIL NAMES ARE OF SANSKRIT ORIGIN.

What's this …SANSKRIT IS OLDEST LANGUAGE IT WAS AND STILL A UNIVERSAL LANGUAGE.. THERE IS MISCONCEPTION THAT TAMIL AND SANSKRIT MIGHT OF EQUAL OLDER LANGUAGE.. U CAN'T HAVE SHLOKAS written and spoken IN OTHER LANGUAGES THAN SANSKRIT…Tamil, kannada,telugu and malayalam are dravidan languages with high influence of SANSKRIT LANGUAGE..If u actually see sanskrit is way way ancient than any other languages…please don't give wrong information anyone please…

1. • Sanskrit is much older than Tamil. Now some people are saying that Tamil is more old. But Sanskrit is the real fruit language. Sanskrit is the first complete language in the world, and Tamil came into being after many other languages like Sanskrit and Hindi appeared in many parts of the world.

Ranveer Allahbadia, the famous YouTuber who promoted Abhijit Chawda, ends up casually telling in his video ‘Was Sex Always a Taboo?’ that the Rigveda was 10,000 years old:

And all this leads to such stuff:

@Steve The paragraphs are funny but if you wanna get the jist of it just read the images

 

[SoytanEnthusiast]

Yes, there is archaeological evidence that Tamil is older than Sanskrit, Tamil-Brahmi inscriptions found in Theni and Madurai districts dated back to 500 BCE, while the oldest Sanskrit inscription found in Rajasthan dated back to just 300 CE, So Tamil is way older than Sanskrit.

Actually the word Sanskrit means “Samskarit” or normalized, In Sanskrit, the verbal adjective sáṃskṛta- is a compound word consisting of sáṃ ('together, good, well, perfected') and kṛta- ('made, formed, work'). It connotes a work that has been "prepared, polished".

Initially Iranian, Dravidian and Munda people came to India in different times, their languages started to mix and evolved into a language called Pakkit Bhasha or Prakrit Bhasha which means natural language.

Sanskrit was constructed later from Pakkit or Prakrit language, Which is a mixture of Iranian, Dravidian and Munda languages.

In 1955 Indologist Thomas Burrow listed some 500 words in Sanskrit that he considered to be loans from non-Indo-European languages. He noted that in the earliest form of the language such words are comparatively few, but they progressively become more numerous. Though mentioning the likelihood that one source was lost Indian languages extinguished by the advance of Indo-Aryan, he concentrated on finding loans from Dravidian. Kuiper identified 383 specifically Rigvedic words as non-Indo-Aryan – roughly 4% of its vocabulary, Oberlies prefers to consider 344–358 "secure" non-Indo-European words in the Rigveda. Even if all local non-Indo-Aryan names of persons and places are subtracted from Kuiper's list, that still leaves some 211–250 "foreign" words, around 2% of the total vocabulary of the Rigveda.

These loanwords cover local flora and fauna, agriculture and artisanship, terms of toilette, clothing and household. Dancing and music are particularly prominent, and there are some items of religion and beliefs. They only reflect village life, and not the intricate civilization of the Indus cities, befitting a post-Harappan time frame. In particular, Indo-Aryan words for plants stem in large part from other language families, especially from the now-lost substrate languages.

Mayrhofer identified a "prefixing" language as the source of many non-Indo-European words in the Rigveda, based on recurring prefixes like ka- or ki-, that have been compared by Michael Witzel to the Munda prefix k- for designation of persons, and the plural prefix ki seen in Khasi, though he notes that in Vedic, k- also applies to items merely connected with humans and animals. Examples include:

काकम्बीर kākambīra a certain tree

ककर्दु kakardu "wooden stick"

कपर्दिन् kapardin "with a hair-knot"

कर्पास karpāsa "cotton"

कवन्ध kavandha "barrel"

कवष kavaṣa "straddle-legged"

किलास kilāsa "spotted, leprous"

किमीद kimīda "a demon", cf. शिमिदा śimidā "a demoness"

कीनाश kīnāśa "ploughman"

कियम्बु kiyāmbu a water plant

कुलाय kulāya "nest"

कुलिश kuliśa "axe"

कुमार kumāra "boy"

कुलुङ्ग kuluṅga "antelope"

कुरुङ्ग Kuruṅga name of a chieftain of the Turvaśa.

Witzel remarks that these words span all of local village life. He considers that they were drawn from the lost language of the northern Indus Civilization and its Neolithic predecessors. As they abound in Austroasiatic-like prefixes, he initially chose to call it Para-Munda, but later the Kubhā-Vipāś substrate.

The Indo-Europeanist and Indologist Thieme has questioned Dravidian etymologies proposed for Vedic words, for most of which he gives Indo-Aryan or Sanskrit etymologies, and has condemned what he characterizes as a misplaced "zeal for hunting up Dravidian loans in Sanskrit". Das, while not discounting the possibility of foreign elements in Vedic, contended that there nevertheless is "not a single case" in which a communis opinio has been found confirming the foreign origin of a Rigvedic word". Kuiper answered that charge, on which Das then commented. Burrow in turn has criticized the "resort to tortuous reconstructions in order to find, by hook or by crook, Indo-European explanations for Sanskrit words". Kuiper reasons that given the abundance of Indo-European comparative material – and the scarcity of Dravidian or Munda – the inability to clearly confirm whether the etymology of a Vedic word is Indo-European implies that it is not.

Colin Masica could not find etymologies from Indo-European or Dravidian or Munda or as loans from Persian for 31 percent of agricultural and flora terms of Hindi. He proposed an origin in an unknown language "X". Southworth also notes that the flora terms did not come from either Dravidian or Munda. Southworth found only five terms which are shared with Munda, leading to his suggestion that "the presence of other ethnic groups, speaking other languages, must be assumed for the period in question".

Witzel initially used the term "Para-Munda" to denote a hypothetical language related but not ancestral to modern Munda languages, which he identified as "Harappan", the language of the Indus Valley civilization. To avoid confusion with Munda, he later opted for the term "Kubhā-Vipāś substrate". He argues that the Rigveda shows signs of this hypothetical Harappan influence in the earliest level and Dravidian only in later levels, suggesting that speakers of Harappan were the original inhabitants of Punjab and that the Indo-Aryans encountered speakers of Dravidian not before middle Rigvedic times. Krishnamurti deems the evidence too meagre for this proposal. Regarding Witzel's methodology in claiming Para-Munda origins, Krishnamurti states: "The main flaw in Witzel's argument is his inability to show a large number of complete, unanalyzed words from Munda borrowed into the first phase of the Ṛgveda... It would have been better if [Witzel] said we did not know the true source of 300 or so early borrowings into the Ṛgveda." This statement, however, confuses Proto-Munda and Para-Munda and neglects the several hundred "complete, unanalyzed words" from a prefixing language, adduced by Kuiper and Witzel.

A concern raised in the identification of the substrate is that there is a large time gap between the comparative materials, which can be seen as a serious methodological drawback. One issue is the early geographical distribution of the South Asian languages. It should not be assumed that the present-day northern location of Brahui, Kurukh, and Malto reflects the position of their ancestor languages at the time of Indo-Aryan development. Another problem is that modern literary languages may present a misleading picture of their prehistoric ancestors. The first completely intelligible, datable, and sufficiently long and complete epigraphs that might be of some use in linguistic comparison are the early Tamil Brahmi inscriptions starting in the 2nd century BCE, and the Tamil inscriptions of the Pallava dynasty of about 550 CE. Similarly there is much less material available for comparative Munda and the interval in their case is at least three millennia. However, reconstructions of Proto-Dravidian and Proto-Munda now help in distinguishing the traits of these languages from those of Indo-European in the evaluation of substrate and loan words.

There are an estimated thirty to forty Dravidian loanwords in Vedic Sanskrit. Those for which Dravidian etymologies are proposed by Zvelebil include कुलाय kulāya "nest", कुल्फ kulpha "ankle", दण्ड daṇḍa "stick", कूल kūla "slope", बिल bila "hollow", खल khala "threshing floor". However, Witzel finds Dravidian loans only from the middle Rigvedic period, suggesting that linguistic contact between Indo-Aryan and Dravidian speakers only occurred as the Indo-Aryans expanded well into and beyond the Punjab.

While Dravidian languages are primarily confined to the South of India today, there is a striking exception: Brahui (which is spoken in parts of Baluchistan). It has been taken by some as the linguistic equivalent of a relict population, perhaps indicating that Dravidian languages were formerly much more widespread and were

 

[SoytanEnthusiast]

Unfortunately, there is no solid proven evidence to show that Sanskrit is older than Tamil. However, cleverly, the creators or lovers of Sanskrit have created such a perception. I can provide solid proven evidences to show that Sanskrit is neither older than Prakrit languages nor Tamil, the oldest language of the world.

Vedas were once called ‘Sruti’, meaning that the ones being heard, and hence Vedas have been preserved for many generations through oral tradition. When Vedic Aryans came to India, the Vedic language they spoke was only oral language; that is, Vedic Language DID NOT HAVE ALPHABETS and NUMBER SYSTEM at the time of Vedic Aryans’ entry to Indian Sub-Continent.

After their entry to Indian Sub-Continent, they witnessed the existence of advanced civilization among the native Indians who were black in complexion, with their Prakrit Languages armed with LETTERS AND NUMBERS; On seeing the white skinned Aryans with the Voiced Sound spoken vedic language, the native Indians wrongly judged the Aryans to be higher level intellects; Sensing the mindset of Native Indians, Vedic Aryans became alert and schemed to maintain the perception of the native Indians by posing themselves to be more cultured. Due course, Aryans established their hold over the native Indians and enslaved them.

Over a period, Vedic Aryans devised ALPHABETS AND NUMBERS for their Vedic Language by embracing the Prakrit Language in their vicinity. During this period, the Vedas transformed from ‘Sruti’ into ‘Smriti’; that is, written form of rules for chanting Vedic Mantras, performing pujas, rituals, yagnas etc. were documented in various dialects of Vedic Languages, known as Pratisakyas.

(References: 1. Rig Veda Pratisakya Of Maharisi Saunaka with the Commentary of 'UVATACHARYA' Ed. Rama Prasada Tripathi Sampurnand University, Varanasi-1986. ; 2. A Vedic Grammar for Students by A. A. Macdonell. Ph.D., Boden Professor of sanskrit in the University of Oxford, 1916., 3. Vedic Mythology, A.A. Macdonell, Strassburg, Verlag Von Karl J. Trubner, 1897., 4. "Original Sanskrit Texts on the Origin and History of the People of India, their Religion and Institutions", by J.Muir.Ph.D., Trubner &Co., 57 and 59, Ludgate Hill, 1873, London.)

Let us first understand and resolve the issue of seniority between Prakrit languages and Sanskrit. The very word Prakrit tells the meaning 'Nature'. The meaning of the word Sanskrit is 'the one that is corrected or made perfect, implying that it is a semi artificial language, made perfect by correcting different dialects of Vedic Languages devised from the alphabets of various local Prakrit languages, to record Vedas in writings by the Vedic brahmins settled in different parts of India (JAGAS - ஜாகைகள்).

Manu Dharma Prohibits Women and Sudras from hearing and chanting Vedas. As per Manu Dharma rules, Vedic Brahmins prohibited their own women from knowing Vedas, written in the then dialects of the Vedic Languages were known only to the men folks of Vedic Brahmin community; because of this prohibition on speaking Vedic Language, brahmin ladies were speaking only the Prakrit Languages spoken in their local areas; this essentially means Prakrit Languages became the Mother Tongue of Vedic Brahmins as their mothers knew only Prakrit Languages.

By this design, Vedic Brahmins killed their own mother tongue of Vedic Language and were forced themselves to have Prakrit Languages as their mother tongues.

While collecting and compiling Vedas practiced by the Vedic Brahmins (dwelling at different Places or Jagas, chanting Vedic Mantras in their own dialects of Vedic Languages for performing Vedic Rituals derived from the local Prakrit Languages), Ved Viyas, the sage, understood the need for a common formatted standard language, lead to the creation of the semi-artificial perfect language Sanskrit for performing Vedic Rituals.

The Compilation of Vedas by the Sage Ved Vyas in Rig Veda, Yajur Veda, Sama Veda (from the source Ruk Veda), were collectively called Thrayee or Three Vedas. The forth component Adarva Veda was added much later, making the contemporary Chatur Vedas (four Vedas) terminology.

Any artificially created one has to be younger that it's natural sources, namely, the Prakrit languages. But, most of the document on the history of the Sanskrit Language claim that Sanskrit is the Mother or Root Language for Prakrit Languages; FULL OF UTTER LIES.

This is how the proponents of Sanskrit spread the utter lies about the Semi-Artificial language, Sanskrit, that was not a mother-tongue of anybody in the world, since no women was allowed to speak neither Vedic nor Sanskrit language as Manu dharma prohibit all women (that included brahmin women too) from knowing Vedas.

Therefore, the very question “Is there any solid proven evidence to show Sanskrit is older than Tamil?” itself is ill founded. ONE CANNOT COMPARE A LIVING CLASSICAL LANGUAGE WITH A NON-BORN SEMI-ARTIFICIAL LITERARY DIALECT. CAN ANY ONE COMPARE A COMPUTER LANGUAGES LIKE ‘C’, ‘C++’, ‘JAVA’, ‘PYTHON’ ETC. WITH ANY SPOKEN LANGUAGE OF HUMAN BEINGS?

Tamil is not only the oldest language of the World, but also is the only Living Classical Language having the literary treasure of Tholkappiyam and Sangam Literature that are more than 3500 years old. In fact the Structure of the Classical Tamil language was the Root of Grammars for all Indian Languages (I shall give etymology and Linguistic Proof later, in case any reader wants)) and that are Mother-Tongues for Indian, besides serving as the root language for the Grammar of Sanskrit, the Semi-Artificial Literary dialect, that was never a mother-tongue anywhere in the history of mankind.

 

[Steve]

@Steve The paragraphs are funny but if you wanna get the jist of it just read the images

Oh no I read every word even getting past the torture that is reading an Indian type English and his only proof that Sanskrit is so old is citing the Rigveda which he says is 10000 years old but it actually from around 1500 BC so that's just wrong. I tell you Indians are living in their own world, they aren't meant to interact with other cultures and we aren't supposed to look in because their society is too backward.

 

[SoytanEnthusiast]

Yea!

Sanskrit was founded by lord brahma

and tamil was founded by lord shiva

i have better explanation

see RAMAYANA was the oldest history of gods

and its was originally written in Sanskrit not in tamil

so its easy to say that people used to speak 'Sanskrit'

Ram in tamil: ரேம்

ram in Sanskrit: राम

Sanskrit is called "dev basha"

if gods used to speak Sanskrit no doubt its the oldest language of world

 

[SoytanEnthusiast]

SANSKRIT INFLUENCE ON THE TAMIL LANGUAGE AND LITERATURE

SANSKRIT INFLUENCE ON THE TAMIL LANGUAGE AND LITERATURE

Author-P. Nilkantha Sharma, French Institute of Indology Pondicherry

[Our PrimeMinister Sh. Narender Modi ji in Pariksha Par Charcha said that Tamil is a beautiful language and its older than Sanskrit. Modi ji unknowingly quoted this as a mistake.Sanskrit is the mother of all languages. I am reproducing this research paper to prove this fact.This paper was presented in First International Sanskrit conference held in 1975 in Delhi. This Abridged version is reproduced by Dr. Vivek Arya from PROCEEDINGS OF THE 1ST INTERNATIONAL SANSKRIT CONFERENCE VOL-3 PT-2, 1975 available online on Archives]

It has been admitted that Sanskrit is one of the most ancient languages of the world. The language was once spoken by all. The Vedas, the Ramayana and Mahabharata are most famous Sanskrit texts. Few people considers Sanskrit as a dead language. A language can be considered dead only if it ceases to exercise any influence on the people as well as on the languages of the land. Viewed from this angle Sanskrit can never be considered dead. It continues to live in this land by invigorating and enriching not only the various languages in India, but also those in the Fareast and serves as the sole link, for bringing together the different languages of India, thus proving the unity and integrity of all the people in India. It is still being used for religious and philosophical purposes.

Dravidian Languages and Tamil

That Sanskrit, the Divine language, is the mother of all Indian languages is quite clear to any scholar of impartial views. Among the Dravidian languages Tamil is older than all of them, its initial stages going as far back as several centuries before Christ. In spite of this fact, Tamil cannot be so ancient as Sanskrit. Because, even before the time when the Ramayana was composed, and when the art of writing was unknown to man, there existed in this land the great Vedas handed down from generation to generation, orally and hence called “Shruti”. There is nothing comparable to this in Tamil.

The chief factors of Sanskrit influence

Though from very early times up to the present day, orthodox Hinduism of the Vedas has been an eternal factor in the Sanskrit influence of Tamil, it has to be admitted that Buddhists and Jains had a considerable part in the improvement and growth of Tamil not only in the early period but also at the beginning of the middle ages. The major old works in Tamil were their productions and they did not hesitate to incorporate their dogmas and theories into them. All of them being proficient in Sanskrit, they left no stone unturned in imparting Sanskrit influence to Tamil. Anyway Tamil is surely indebted to them and that too in no small measure. In later times, Buddhism and Jainism had to give way to Saivism and Vaisnavism which had their renaissance from the songs of Tevaram and Divyaprabandham of the Saivaite and Vaisnavaite saints. Moreover with various tantric cults and puranas coming to prominence at this time on one side and the great philosophers like Sankara, Ramanuja and Madhva preaching their philosophical doctrines on the other, Sanskrit influence in Tamil became all the more widespread and it has continued to be so up to the present day.

Tamil lexicons

There are two lexicons in Tamil which are considered to be pretty old. They are Cintar Tivakaram and Pinkala Nikantu. If one happens to go through them, he will find that Sanskrit words either in their original forms or changed and Tamilised forms according to the rules laid down by Tolkappiyar, occupy a greater portion of the texts. In their enumeration of “ornaments of sense” and the eight-fold angas of Yoga both of them follow Natyashastra and Patajnjala Yogasutra respectively, not to speak of other minor items.

Now 'nikantu' is the Tamilised form of the Sanskrit word 'nighantu' or 'nighanta'. Originally it was the name of a Vedic glossary included by Yaska in his Nirukta. But subsequently it came to mean any collection of words or vocabulary.

The antiquity of Tamil

In Tolkappiyam II, 397, the author classifies words into four kinds as iyaRcol, tiricol, ticaiccol and vatacol. lyaRcol is indigenous word and vatacol is Sanskrit word. Tolkappiyar, Sanskrit words having been inseparably mixed up in Tamil. So, there can be no denial that Tamil is very ancient but, its development took place under Sanskrit influence. Sanskrit influence in Tolkalppiyam and TirukkuRal have been proved by scholars like Vaiyapuri Pillai, Ramachandra Diksithar, Krishnaswami lyengar and others.

Sangam works

In AkanaNuRu PuRanaNuRu and others, the occurrence of words like yupum (yupa), avi (havis), avuti (ahuti), tun (sthuna), amarar (amara),vetam (vedu), mutti (tretagni) and tavam (tapas) clearly shows that even Vedic Sanskrit did have some sort of influence in those times. Words relating to the ordinary social life, pantam (bhanda), ulakam (loka), pokam (bhoga), amiLtu (amrta) and mantilam (mandala) and the like were also contributed by them.

There is a work called Acarakkovai, probably the last one of the Sangam anthologies. Its author was Mulliyar of Vankayattur. The work deals with the rules of conduct, customs and daily observances of the Hindus. The author himself avows in ‘ciRappuppayiram’ that he has based his work on materials drawn from various dharma Sastras or smritis. Apastamba's Grihya and Dharma-sutras, DharmaSastras of Bhaudhayana, Gautama, Visnu and Vasistha, the Smrtis of Manu, Yajnavalkya, Parasara, Likhita and Harita, Samhitas of Usanas and Visnu purana, some having been literally translated.

Cilappatikaram ard Manimekalai

Both these are twin epics, the story of the latter being a continuation of that of the former. Both contain thirty cantos each, each canto bearing the name of 'Katai' which is a Tamil form of the Sanskrit word gatha. In Cilappatikaram the whole of the third canto is based on the NatyaSastra of Bharata.A story from Pancatantra is reproduced in canto 15, 54-74. The knowledge of astronomy and astrology displayed in cantos 23 and 26 is noteworthy. The duties of people belonging to different castes, moral rules of diverse nature, the theories and tenets of various religious sects and many other kindred topics have found place in this work as a result of Sanskrit influence.

In'Manimekalai, canto 27 deals with Pramanwada, Ajivakavada, Sankhyavada, Saivavada, Nikhandavada, Bhutavada, Mantravada,Vedavada, Vaiseikavada and Vaisnavavada. Canto 29 describes the various aspects of anumana, hetvabhasas, drstantas of sadharmya and vaidharmya nature and drstantabhasas, all of which pertain to Sanskrit logic.

Arts and sciences

As in the entire field of the Indian languages, so even in Tamil, excepting those works which arc of a strictly classical nature and possess a purely literary value, all others concerning arts and sciences, like astronomy, astrology, music, medicine etc. are based only on the respective ancient treatises in Sanskrit. Even the Siddha system of medicine prevalent in the Tamil county is but an offshoot of Ayurveda following the works of Charaka, Shusruta and others.

The Tirumantiram of Tirumular

It is no exaggeration to say that the Sanskrit influence rose to the highest degree in Tirumantiram. Whatever is said about Tirumular, the author, by way of tradition, none can deny that he was a vast ocean of Sanskrit learning. He speaks about the four Vedas, the six Vedangas and the twenty-eight Agamas, with utmost regard, Verses 62 and 63 say that he obtained from his Guru, Nandi, nine among the 28 Agamas. In verses 73, 77 and 81. He says that he had been ordained by his Guru to render the Agamas and the Vedas in beautiful Tamil. The work contains a little above 3000 verses divided into nine tantras.

Conclusion

The reconciliation of Tamil grammar with that of Sanskrit attempted in Viraco Liyam, Pirayokavivekam and Ilakkanakkottu by their authors is another proof of how far Tamil grammar is indebted to Sanskrit. Moreover Shivanana Svamikal, has expressly stated that Tamil Learning not be complete for those who have not learnt Sanskrit.

 

[SoytanEnthusiast]

Yea!

Sanskrit was founded by lord brahma

and tamil was founded by lord shiva

i have better explanation

see RAMAYANA was the oldest history of gods

and its was originally written in Sanskrit not in tamil

so its easy to say that people used to speak 'Sanskrit'

Ram in tamil: ரேம்

ram in Sanskrit: राम

Sanskrit is called "dev basha"

if gods used to speak Sanskrit no doubt its the oldest language of world

>if gods used to speak Sanskrit no doubt its the oldest language of world
@Steve Ts is too funny