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[Mr. Thrembo 88]

You didnt either, you pussied out.

I wasn't in that thread for its entire duration. I also wasn't asked to post physique cause I wasn't calling other people weak because I'm not insecure

 

[Clown]

You have feminine hands, son. Don't talk too much. Pussy ass slut.

Not my hands sadly. You'll know what they look like when I give you a comforting hug, Son. My shoulder is broad such that you may rest upon it.

 

[Clown]

Couldn't respond to last thread, makes me sad! @Warrior-Z Pork loin linked below, I'm sure Oslo tugboat never gave you enough money to eat like this. Maybe if you left your coom cave, and made friends with real humans other than your clan of sissy retard ballwashers (who will inevitably jartynuke this post because they don't possess the neural mass to think anything you haven't thought for them), you'd be able to try food like this for free!View attachment 182335View attachment 182336

Insane how, just like I said would happen, Niggerior Z and his ball washers NEED to tranny nuke my posts. They NEED to decrease my reddit karma to make themselves feel better about being wastes of hydrocarbons. Crazy! And look, I will gaze into the future like the oracle of Delphi, it will happen again to this post and my future posts until Warrior Z is kicked off the website for being a jar-topper towelhead camelfucking sandnigger

 

[Warrior-Z]

Not my hands sadly.

So it wasn't even your image?
Or did you get your mommy to take it for you?

You'll know what they look like when I give you a comforting hug, Son.

I'll give YOU a comforting hug my daughter, perhaps I might even go get you some ice-cream if you're on your best behaviour.

My shoulder is broad such that you may rest upon it.

I'm afraid you'll have a lot of woke to do before you can say yours is broad, for now, rest upon mine.

Insane how, just like I said would happen, Niggerior Z and his ball washers NEED to tranny nuke my posts. They NEED to decrease my reddit karma to make themselves feel better about being wastes of hydrocarbons. Crazy! And look, I will gaze into the future like the oracle of Delphi, it will happen again to this post and my future posts until Warrior Z is kicked off the website for being a jar-topper towelhead camelfucking sandnigger

He's seething over reddit points GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEG

 

[Alextremo2TheMax]

>Narrated `Aisha: that the Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that `Aisha remained with the Prophet (ﷺ) for nine years (i.e. till his death).

 

[Warrior-Z]

>Narrated `Aisha: that the Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that `Aisha remained with the Prophet (ﷺ) for nine years (i.e. till his death).
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Dolmatov, M

Aisha was not 9 years old but (19–20) years old when married to Holy Prophet Muhammad (s) 9 years age of Aisha which you point out is not mentioned in Holy Quran - verbatim words of God but It is mentioned in Sahih Bukhari. This hadith is simply fabricated lie | Sahih Bukhari is not verbatim w...

docs.google.com

I will really juggle you in VC on this topic faggot.

 

[Alextremo2TheMax]

Dolmatov, M

Aisha was not 9 years old but (19–20) years old when married to Holy Prophet Muhammad (s) 9 years age of Aisha which you point out is not mentioned in Holy Quran - verbatim words of God but It is mentioned in Sahih Bukhari. This hadith is simply fabricated lie | Sahih Bukhari is not verbatim w...

docs.google.com

I will really juggle you in VC on this topic faggot.

>"muslim" arbitrarily agrees with a random google doc on the internet instead of 99% of muslims scholars in the world
ngmi lil bro just seek christ

 

[Warrior-Z]

>"muslim" arbitrarily agrees with a random google doc on the internet instead of 99% of muslims scholars in the world
ngmi lil bro just seek christ

That's a strawman fallacy of the document, it uses sources written by historians during the caliphate.

 

[Alextremo2TheMax]

That's a strawman fallacy of the document, it uses sources written by historians during the caliphate.

ultimately relies on several hasan and daif verses to piece together some contradiction with direct sahih testimony. this is like saying A, who was found with the bloody murder weapon, couldn't have murdered B because A's cousin's brother remember A one time saying "murder is bad". absolutely reaching

 

[Warrior-Z]

ultimately relies on several hasan and daif verses to piece together some contradiction with direct sahih testimony. this is like saying A, who was found with the bloody murder weapon, couldn't have murdered B because A's cousin's brother remember A one time saying "murder is bad". absolutely reaching
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We’re talking about historical analysis where cross-referencing is literally the foundation of credibility. You think quoting one sahih hadith overrides multiple early historians, timelines, and logical deduction? That's not scholarship, it's cherry-picking. Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, notes that all four children of Abu Bakr, including Aisha RA, were born before Islam (i.e., pre-610 AD).

 

[Alextremo2TheMax]

We’re talking about historical analysis where cross-referencing is literally the foundation of credibility. You think quoting one sahih hadith overrides multiple early historians, timelines, and logical deduction? That's not scholarship, it's cherry-picking. Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, notes that all four children of Abu Bakr, including Aisha RA, were born before Islam (i.e., pre-610 AD).
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you're cherrypicking by stringing together a number of less reliable verses to get around a simple fact of reality that every other muzzie on the planet has accepted. it's why iraq tried lowering the age of marriage to 9 in 2024, it's why saudi had no age of marriage until 2019. the only reason you feel the need to deny reality and hold onto this cope fantasy is because of the influence of christian morality

 

[Warrior-Z]

you're cherrypicking by stringing together a number of less reliable verses to get around a simple fact of reality that every other muzzie on the planet has accepted. it's why iraq tried lowering the age of marriage to 9 in 2024, it's why saudi had no age of marriage until 2019. the only reason you feel the need to deny reality and hold onto this cope fantasy is because of the influence of christian morality

>every other muzzie on the planet has accepted
You mean like all the Muslims who literally cite Tabari, Ibn Sa'd, Ibn Kathir, and others who say Aisha was born before the call? Or are we just pretending Islamic scholarship began and ended with one hadith and Twitter?
>muh Christslime morality!!
When it's the Islamic tradition of isnād criticism and rational deduction. Go read Imam Malik, Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Shatibi. One statement through Hisham ibn Urwah, from Iraq and you build your entire reality off that?
>Iraq 2024 saar do not redeem!!!
You do know modern politics doesn't equate to revelation, right? Iraq also legalized alcohol, and Saudi lets in Nicki Minaj to twerk on stage.
You keep crying “cherrypicking,” but I gave historical timelines, family ages, and scholarly sourcing.

 

[Alextremo2TheMax]

You mean like all the Muslims who literally cite Tabari, Ibn Sa'd, Ibn Kathir, and others who say Aisha was born before the call? Or are we just pretending Islamic scholarship began and ended with one hadith and Twitter?

Literally all three of these scholars affirm her age of marriage and consummation as per the two traditional (and most reliable) hadiths.
- ibn sa'd affirms it in tabaqat al kubra volume 8 (https://dn721604.ca.archive.org/0/i...ir_Volume_VIII_The_Women_of_Madi_Muhammad.pdf)
- al tabari affirms it in the history of prophets and kings
- ibn kathir affirms it in the book of the end
I don't know where the fuck you get your information from but clearly you should try consulting more reliable sources than a fucking google doc you found in the internet

You do know modern politics doesn't equate to revelation, right? Iraq also legalized alcohol, and Saudi lets in Nicki Minaj to twerk on stage.
You keep crying “cherrypicking,” but I gave historical timelines, family ages, and scholarly sourcing.

>blah blah nicki minaj or something.. yeah
excellent dodge

 

[Warrior-Z]

Literally all three of these scholars affirm her age of marriage and consummation as per the two traditional (and most reliable) hadiths.
- ibn sa'd affirms it in tabaqat al kubra volume 8 (https://dn721604.ca.archive.org/0/i...ir_Volume_VIII_The_Women_of_Madi_Muhammad.pdf)

Ibn Sa’d’s Tabaqat is literally a compilation of reports and traditions from various transmitters. He doesn’t verify each one. That’s not what tabaqat literature is about. Also, he doesn’t even comment on its reliability. He just transmits it, like dozens of other contradictory reports in his work. Same text also says Fatima was older than Aisha RA by 10+ years.

- al tabari affirms it in the history of prophets and kings

Nope, quotes it in another part of his book just like he quotes contradictory genealogies and contradictory stories about Adam AS and angels fighting dragons. He gathers ALL narrations and leaves it to scholars to analyze them.

- ibn kathir affirms it in the book of the end

Again, Ibn Kathir quotes the narration. He doesn’t do isnad criticism on it.

>blah blah nicki minaj or something.. yeah
excellent dodge

Not a dodge when I used governments as an example too kek, in which contradicts the religion.
Think harder, Alex.

 

[Alextremo2TheMax]

Ibn Sa’d’s Tabaqat is literally a compilation of reports and traditions from various transmitters. He doesn’t verify each one. That’s not what tabaqat literature is about. Also, he doesn’t even comment on its reliability. He just transmits it, like dozens of other contradictory reports in his work. Same text also says Fatima was older than Aisha RA by 10+ years.

the same text doesn't say that aisha was in her late teens like you claimed

Nope, quotes it in another part of his book just like he quotes contradictory genealogies and contradictory stories about Adam AS and angels fighting dragons. He gathers ALL narrations and leaves it to scholars to analyze them.

Again, Ibn Kathir quotes the narration. He doesn’t do isnad criticism on it.

OBVIOUSLY the main purpose of the books is to compile narration, but they absolutely critically evaluated hadith and offered theories as part of those works. If a historian is quoting a narration that affirms the 6/9 claim and mentions NO countermanding theory, that's an affirmation of the two narrations as the most reliable historical sources and explanation for the question
All of these narrations were available and had their reliability evaluated at the time of these scholars, if they wanted to offer a counter theory they could've, but they didn't, because they're not retarded enough to try and string together several verses of varying reliability to oppose the two agreeing sahih verses that ACTUALLY put a number to her age of marriage

Not a dodge when I used governments as an example too kek, in which contradicts the religion.
Think harder, Alex.

You used governments as an example to call them woke to say that "advocating for child marriage doesn't matter in this case because i said so"

 

[Warrior-Z]

the same text doesn't say that aisha was in her late teens like you claimed

It doesn't need to if we can draw a logical inference. The same text gives us the substance for that.

OBVIOUSLY the main purpose of the books is to compile narration,

W concession

but they absolutely critically evaluated hadith

They aren't critically evaluated if it's all of them INCLUDING the contradictory ones.

and offered theories as part of those works.

The only theory that involves a P and not P would be EMR.

If a historian is quoting a narration that affirms the 6/9 claim and mentions NO countermanding theory, that's an affirmation of the two narrations as the most reliable historical sources and explanation for the question

Just because they included a narration doesn’t mean they took an oath on it. Otherwise, I guess Ibn Kathir must've also believed in talking trees, and sun setting in a muddy spring.... Kek, it's kino.

All of these narrations were available and had their reliability evaluated at the time of these scholars,

No, early scholars debated narrations all the time. Malik rejected ahad hadith that conflicted with ‘amal of Medina. Abu Hanifa prioritized Qur’an and analogical reasoning over certain solitary hadiths. Even Bukhari didn’t accept every sahih hadith.

if they wanted to offer a counter theory they could've,

They did; in their other books lol.

You used governments as an example to call them woke to say that "advocating for child marriage doesn't matter in this case because i said so"

Missed the whole point, I said modern government policies are irrelevant to seerah analysis.

 

[Alextremo2TheMax]

They aren't critically evaluated if it's all of them INCLUDING the contradictory ones.

they don't contradict. there are no other verses that state aisha's age of marriage aside from the two reliable verses in sahih muslim and sahih al bukhari.

Just because they included a narration doesn’t mean they took an oath on it. Otherwise, I guess Ibn Kathir must've also believed in talking trees, and sun setting in a muddy spring.... Kek, it's kino.

this is a profoundly retarded thing to say
the wording of the claim is very obvious. ibn sa'd doesn't say "some people say aisha's age of marriage was 6" or "according to some verses", he states it as fact, because there is NO directly contradictory verse OR contradictory theory being presented, he's presenting it as reliable historical information

No, early scholars debated narrations all the time. Malik rejected ahad hadith that conflicted with ‘amal of Medina. Abu Hanifa prioritized Qur’an and analogical reasoning over certain solitary hadiths. Even Bukhari didn’t accept every sahih hadith.

>these narrations = all narrations
what is this pathetic dodge? the verses in question were accepted as fact by all of these scholars, that's why they didn't propose any contradictory theory
You are trying so hard to project some air of neutrality onto these people when there just isn't one. They never denied this fact of history.

They did; in their other books lol.

They never did, you're lying.

Missed the whole point, I said modern government policies are irrelevant to seerah analysis.

You missed my whole point that the effect of muzzie's culture of child marriage resulting in pro-child marriage policies by modern governments indicates it's position as ingrained scholarly consensus in the caliphates

 

[Mr. Thrembo 88]

That's a strawman fallacy of the document, it uses sources written by historians during the caliphate.

Nigger crying about strawmen All soyjaks are strawmen, go back

 

[Warrior-Z]

they don't contradict. there are no other verses that state aisha's age of marriage aside from the two reliable verses in sahih muslim and sahih al bukhari.

Like I said, they don't need to explicitly state a proposition if the proposition in question is already contradicted. That logically and morally would be irrational. By that logic, every contradiction in early hadith and seerah would cancel itself out because nobody said “imo” before transmitting it.
And again, there's several hadiths there that DO contradict each other. Want me to name them?

this is a profoundly retarded thing to say
the wording of the claim is very obvious. ibn sa'd doesn't say "some people say aisha's age of marriage was 6" or "according to some verses", he states it as fact, because there is NO directly contradictory verse OR contradictory theory being presented, he's presenting it as reliable historical information

>“hey didn’t say ‘some say this,’ therefore they believed it 100%! SAAR I VVIN! TOTAL CHRISTSLIME WIN!
These scholars didn’t qualify everything. And when they didn’t, they weren’t making fatwas, all they were doing was writing down what was reported and commonly repeated. Again, there was NO AFFIRMATION or NEGATION WIITHIN THAT BOOK SO WE DERIVE IT FROM THEIR OTHER BOOKS, RETARD. Also, it was presented again, if you read the book you'd know lmao.

>these narrations = all narrations
what is this pathetic dodge? the verses in question were accepted as fact by all of these scholars, that's why they didn't propose any contradictory theory

I already addressed this, now you're just doing a reductio ad nauseam. It's directly denied if their historical beliefs and studies contradict this. It's a P and not P.

They never did, you're lying.

They did? The historical referencing in question cites those books, are you dumb, faggot?

You missed my whole point that the effect of muzzie's culture of child marriage resulting in pro-child marriage policies by modern governments indicates it's position as ingrained scholarly consensus in the caliphates

Oh, so because some corrupt or backwater "Muslim" governments today push child marriage laws, that means all classical scholars were pro-child marriage? Again, a lot of their actions contradict Islam so this just gives them less authority, retard.

 

[Warrior-Z]

Nigger crying about strawmen All soyjaks are strawmen, go back

I will juggle you too faggot ass pedophile.