Autism do you believe "high-functioning" autism is real and can you grow out of it

>psychology is fake
>autism isn't real
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Soygoy said:
The same applies to Christianity which is what makes Religion subjective. To claim that what you believe is true while what everyone else believes is false purely because of what your bible says and not based off of any level of testing, i.e attempting to prove the existence of god through experiments, is kind of a fallacy.
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Bro no it doesn't 😭 Muhammed claimed to be prophesied by a comment made by Jesus which can't be found anywhere in history except the Quran, as opposed to Jesus who was prophesied a bunch of times (one example) in the Old Testament.
 
Steve said:
Bro no it doesn't 😭 Muhammed claimed to be prophesied by a comment made by Jesus which can't be found anywhere in history except the Quran, as opposed to Jesus who was prophesied a bunch of times (one example) in the Old Testament.
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In the mind of muslims, the same could be said. Christianity is all gobbledy gook, the Quran is actually the truth. Same could be said for any other religion.
Steve said:
No, in any rational sect of Christianity the priest/pastor would agree on 98% of things, and every other religion is false so its pretty objective really

Religion isn't solely based off faith, there is a LOT of archaeological and witness-based evidence towards stuff that happened in the Bible, if it was soley based off faith that would kinda play God as a fool.
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Before this conversation gets derailed I should say that this is not about which religion is correct or incorrect but about the existence of Psychology, which unfortunately has been tainted by the idea that religious beliefs hold more value than science. To me this causes a fair bit of conflict because it just devolves into a religion vs science argument, many scientists and psychologists are and have been religious however, but the main source of conflict arises from faith and belief.

Science is rigorously tested, experiments can be performed and psychology is real, that is unless you are religious, in which good things happen to you because you're a good person and god likes you and everyone you dislike is the work of satan, whereas in psychology, benefactors like a person's upbringing or relationship with others are the cause for their poor behaviour, not satan, the universal boogeyman.

When it gets like this and people start bringing up Christianity and then claiming it to be the truth, theres a lot of errors in what people say, because their only proof is "Everyone else says this, god says this and my bible says this, so it's true." but to those people, suddenly science is false, even though a large number of people also agree that science is correct? So what makes religion more right than science? In my opinion, Science is more correct because of the everyday studies and analysis' you can perform, the laws of physics come to mind.

 
Soygoy said:
In the mind of muslims, the same could be said. Christianity is all gobbledy gook, the Quran is actually the truth. Same could be said for any other religion.

Before this conversation gets derailed I should say that this is not about which religion is correct or incorrect but about the existence of Psychology, which unfortunately has been tainted by the idea that religious beliefs hold more value than science. To me this causes a fair bit of conflict because it just devolves into a religion vs science argument, many scientists and psychologists are and have been religious however, but the main source of conflict arises from faith and belief.

Science is rigorously tested, experiments can be performed and psychology is real, that is unless you are religious, in which good things happen to you because you're a good person and god likes you and everyone you dislike is the work of satan, whereas in psychology, benefactors like a person's upbringing or relationship with others are the cause for their poor behaviour, not satan, the universal boogeyman.

When it gets like this and people start bringing up Christianity and then claiming it to be the truth, theres a lot of errors in what people say, because their only proof is "Everyone else says this, god says this and my bible says this, so it's true." but to those people, suddenly science is false, even though a large number of people also agree that science is correct? So what makes religion more right than science? In my opinion, Science is more correct because of the everyday studies and analysis' you can perform, the laws of physics come to mind.

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To people who are religious, are there any tests that I can do to confirm the existence of God or Jesus by myself? I've tried praying, but nothing happens.
 
Soygoy said:
To people who are religious, are there any tests that I can do to confirm the existence of God or Jesus by myself? I've tried praying, but nothing happens.
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The whole point is that it's a fucking faith you moron he explicitly says there will be no more explicit signs in the Bible
 
Soygoy said:
In the mind of muslims, the same could be said. Christianity is all gobbledy gook, the Quran is actually the truth. Same could be said for any other religion.
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>if you look at the truth from the perspective of people who are wrong, it seems wrong, so you can't claim it's true
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terrycrews said:
The whole point is that it's a fucking faith you moron he explicitly says there will be no more explicit signs in the Bible
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Which is what makes it unreliable, whereas Psychology is not faith, it can be tested. It is a science, experiments can be performed and an outcome can be reached, these experiments are then confirmed by more and more experiments and if the overwhelming majority come to the same conclusion, then we have our answer. I see no reason as to why Psychology, being the study of the mind and human behaviour, is false and superstition, but religion is true, despite it also potentially being superstition.

There are many psychological experiments you can do at home, especially with other animals, like dogs for example, which can be trained and conditioned to do things based off of their perceptions in our behaviour, like saying a certain word or phrase when we take them out for walks or feed them. Would the religious explanation for this be that everything a dog does, does so because of Jesus or Satan? I'm confused on how Christianity is supposed to operate in the field of science, is it "Gravity because God said so, Earth round because God said so and the pentatonic scale because god said so" or is there something else that I'm missing?

Seems like a pretty silly debate to be honest. It's like being a programmer, instead of having defined logical functions which can be tested and get the same result, you have to use pray() and 99% of the time nothing happens except for the 1% where something does happen due to coincidence but you blame it on God or Satan, I mean hey maybe Religion is a good thing, you can blame Judas for all your worries, maybe I can even blame Satan for creating normal people or something like that.
 
But I suppose I'll end this by saying that I believe that Autism is real based off of studies, of which there are many like the one below and Asperger's research.

Behavioral, Cognitive and Neural Markers of Asperger Syndrome - PMC

Asperger syndrome (AS) is a subtype of Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) characterized by major problems in social and nonverbal communication, together with limited and repetitive forms of behavior and interests. The linguistic and cognitive ...
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I suppose you could equate this to belief, but I have my own diagnosis which has an analysis of my own behaviour, which I'm more than sure if I recorded myself, I could notice myself performing behavioural patterns subconciously and thus, having performed scientific research on myself. (even though that's flawed and biased, because there is a sample size of 1 conducted by a researcher who already has a point to prove) At some point though, it wouldn't matter how many studies you did or to what lengths you'd have to go to, to prove your own autism to someone like Aedra, their mind wouldn't be changed, as would I with religion and the countless witness testimonies from unintelligent medieval peasants, most of which couldn't write. I would however say that Religion is extremely out of date.

To me it seems like theres a fundamental issue with belief, as it supercedes everything else, even if you are wrong. Nobody likes to be proven wrong, but when it happens you'll eventually have to accept the truth. As for religion, I have yet to see enough evidence from any religion, Christianity, Muslim, etc, that actually confirms any of it. Albeit, if any of that is false, then wouldn't history itself be false too? I suppose the only centrist way of going about it is to just assume that all religions are true based off of what most of them have in common, not how they defer. What is important however is that even if Christianity is true, it doesn't necessarily effect the modern age that much, as God and Jesus will not be returning.

However I don't see how religion has a place in the argument of whether or not autism and psychology is real. If it does, are we to suggest that people who are autistic are children of satan? I feel like the only conclusion to that in that context is for an autistic person to start masking and pretend to not have autism but still have autism and act out of line, and before you know it, its just more discrimination by neurotypicals who hate you for acting slightly differently.

But I suppose what Aedra thinks is that autism isn't real, some people are just weird. Well then what does that mean for the "weird" people, should their concerns just be disregarded? It feels hard for me to even want to entertain your religion if you're saying that I am a work of satan purely because of circumstances surrounding my birth. Religious people just seem very mean and authoritarian. Well, this argument seems fruitless. I suppose if you're a cuck, there is no answer, or there is, it just depends on what you believe now.
 
"Autism is real" - An autist
"Christianity is real" - A christian.
Flawed debate.
 
Steve said:
Interesting case but that is just looking at Psych as how it is used by corrupt leaders, you wouldn't say medicine isn't a science but we all know how the world gov's used it to control the people of the world during 2020 and the Chinese flu hit the world so really every science is prone to corruption by groups who want to influence the general public. I did not study psych myself (engineering major after all) but acting like its not a science at all is obtuse because looking at something that is just superstition like astral signs or horoscope it looks significantly stronger, the field has taught us a lot about the human psyche that was previous unthought of like Freud's theory of the Unconscious Mind (look into this it is big) or the Behaviorism school of thought. Both of these massive ideas were things that we had inklings of thought about but some really bright Psychologists looked into them deeper and taught all of us more about the human mind, which allows doctors and individuals to better examine someone's thoughts by their actions. I will admit that Psychologists are often corrupted like doctors are (the ones who propose ideas the gov doesn't like don't get grants or funding) but writing off the whole field is too far.
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>Reading anything from Freud
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Steve said:
Freud was a schizophrenic Jew but he wasn't stupid, sit down and listen to what he has to say and you'll probably hear bullshit but there is something to learn.
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He had a severe porn addiction and it crept into his work.
Seriously, read up all the times where a patient was having a conversation and he immediately brought up sex for no reason.
 
Aedra said:
I never even implied that I'd disregard anyone's concerns. Stop demonizing me just because you disagree. If you knew the amount of evil committed in the name of the psychology you so blindly believe in, maybe you'd be able to see things from my perspective.
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I'm going to give you some debate advice, if you're going to make a claim like "if you knew the amount of evil commited in the name of psychology" give an example, I notice you haven't been providing any and if you did provide a good one for Soggy (or anyone really) to read you would get your point across better.
 
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