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While most of us are opposed to trans identification and gender ideology, I was wondering how far it went and why. I'll lay out some starting questions. Answer as many or as little as you'd like.

Why are you against trans identification?
Were you ever supportive of trans identification?
Should cross-sex HRT be banned for adults?
What should trans-identified individuals do instead of taking cross-sex HRT and/or getting surgery?
Is gender identity a legitimate concept?
Why do you think trans-identified individuals decide to take cross-sex HRT and/or get surgery?
Should any trans identified individual be recognized as the gender of the sex they were not born as?
 
Why are you against trans identification?
It is sexual immorality, for it is crossdressing and homosexuality, an abomination to The Lord. None of those who practice it will inherit God's kingdom alongside Him, as my faith certainly defines.
Were you ever supportive of trans identification?
No. At the very least of my convictions, perhaps when I first heard faintly of such an idea, maybe around the age of nine or ten, I viewed it as a simple, "weird thing" and something that went against my beliefs, for, while I was not proficient in my faith, being a smaller child, I still knew stuff like tranvestism was at least rather weird, strange, and abnormal.
Should cross-sex HRT be banned for adults?
Yes.
What should trans-identified individuals do instead of taking cross-sex HRT and/or getting surgery?
They should find their hope and their faith in Christ and His teachings, for a reliance and continued trust in the Holy Spirit will let them overcome their sin, and the Holy Spirit is the most effective healer, for the Holy Spirit is God Himself, the most powerful being ever.
Is gender identity a legitimate concept?
I think it is when the limit on it as a concept is the same as the concept of the two sexes, male and female. I think anything else, as if there ever could be something else, is clear satanic deception.
Why do you think trans-identified individuals decide to take cross-sex HRT and/or get surgery?
There are demons in them that guide them to destroy themselves.
Should any trans identified individual be recognized as the gender of the sex they were not born as?
No, because they weren't born as it, quite simply.
 
I think it is when the limit on it as a concept is the same as the concept of the two sexes, male and female. I think anything else, as if there ever could be something else, is clear satanic deception.
This makes sense, I know some anti-trans people say that they don't think gender is a thing while others say that they think it is but it's just the same as your sex.
There are demons in them that guide them to destroy themselves.
Interesting, so it's a bad spiritual influence rather than their own ill-intent for you?
No, because they weren't born as it, quite simply.
Understood. I didn't ask this in the OP because it doesn't apply to everyone but since you're a theist, why do you think God made people with disorders of sexual development? Or how do you think stuff like people with XXY chromosomes came to exist?
 
While most of us are opposed to trans identification and gender ideology, I was wondering how far it went and why. I'll lay out some starting questions. Answer as many or as little as you'd like.

Why are you against trans identification?
Were you ever supportive of trans identification?
Should cross-sex HRT be banned for adults?
What should trans-identified individuals do instead of taking cross-sex HRT and/or getting surgery?
Is gender identity a legitimate concept?
Why do you think trans-identified individuals decide to take cross-sex HRT and/or get surgery?
Should any trans identified individual be recognized as the gender of the sex they were not born as?
1. trannies are horrible people that are an affront to biology, provide nothing of value, turn a fetish into a personality, and (((they))) force you to follow their sick, perverted ideology or else (((they))) will take everything you care about. (((They))) do noy hold any morals and will attempt rewrite history and control the media and institutions to make sure nobody else has any left.
2. Never.
3. Yes.
4. Kill themselves.
5. Gender and sex are the same. Its what you are born with not some social construct.
6. To reinforce (((their))) delusions and satasfy (((their))) fetishes. (((They))) will ruin (((their))) body to chase after a perverted fantasy that hurts everyone around them.
7. If you are born with y chromosome you are male, if not female. If you are the vanishingly small minority or (((intersex))) you are genetically defective and should kill yourself.
 
Interesting, so it's a bad spiritual influence rather than their own ill-intent for you?
Well, it is certainly Satan's ill-intent for someone, for he wants people to suffer and distance themselves from what is pure and holy, which is God. Satan uses demons, then, to infiltrate the soul and distance it from God by giving it notions that sins like transgenderism are where a person will really find hope.
Understood. I didn't ask this in the OP because it doesn't apply to everyone but since you're a theist, why do you think God made people with disorders of sexual development? Or how do you think stuff like people with XXY chromosomes came to exist?
Well, God didn't make people have these disorders, just as God didn't make people have, say, down syndrome, or cerebral palsy, or any other disorder or disability, as God doesn't make evil and suffering. For the simplest explanation, all of the imperfections we have, from the most mild impairments, like trouble hearing or a need to wear eyeglasses like I do, to the most debilitating and weakening disabilities, like those that I mentioned in my previous sentence, down syndrome, cerebral palsy, things that really weaken people, these are all symptoms of the original sin, when we brought evil into the world through our free will with the first humans' disobedience to God. Because of the fallen nature of the world, we therefore have things like death and disease, and so disabilities are a part of that. It isn't God who made it like this, but humans who, because of our nature of free will, are naturally inclined to sin, and so evil therefore persists in the world until God will eventually return to restore the world to a state without evil when He defeats it in the events of the tribulation, the end times. Because evil currently persists, a part of it is that we therefore have disabilities present in our populations, like the sexual or chromosomal disorders.
 
While most of us are opposed to trans identification and gender ideology, I was wondering how far it went and why. I'll lay out some starting questions. Answer as many or as little as you'd like.
obsessed
Why are you against trans identification?
its gay
Were you ever supportive of trans identification?
when i was much younger and didnt know what it meant and didnt discover the right wing (correct) part of the internet
Should cross-sex HRT be banned for adults?
no because consenting adults should have personal freedom but it should be socially unacceptable
What should trans-identified individuals do instead of taking cross-sex HRT and/or getting surgery?
feeling happy in their own gender and getting away from all the """supporters"""
Is gender identity a legitimate concept?
yes but its a mental disorder and thus, should be treated as one
Why do you think trans-identified individuals decide to take cross-sex HRT and/or get surgery?
theyre gay
Should any trans identified individual be recognized as the gender of the sex they were not born as?
no
 
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What should trans-identified individuals do instead of taking cross-sex HRT and/or getting surgery?
They should kill themselves so that they won't be able to pass on their transgender genes.
Come to think of it, trooning out also eliminates their ability to pass on their defective troon genes; if they don't cut their dicks off, their hormone therapy will render them impotent/infertile.
 
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I'm overdue on doing this, so I'll try to do it once and for all in here, albeit it won't be perfect, and it'll also be a condensation of arguments without demonstration because selfish. Also this will be from a purely psychological perspective,I'm leaving theology behind for once.

Anyway, here's an exposition of why I find the concept of transgender absurd and incoherent with it's own goals.

Gender
A transgender person is a person who claims that their real gender differs from the gender assigned to their sex.

But for this to be possible, the concept of gender and the concept of sex would need to be separated entirely, and I argue that this is not the case.

The whole problem of the transgender issue can essentially boil down to this : What is gender ? Because there is no real consensus on this word, yet countries are still willing to go as far as to promulgate a ban on any alternative research to cure dysphoria that isn't transition.

There can only be four definitions of the word gender, because the whole of the observable person can still be divided into two parts :
  1. The body​
  2. Personnality and behaviour.​
These four definitions therefore are :
  • Gender is defined by personnality and behaviour, nothing else
  • Gender is defined by the body, and nothing else
  • Gender is defined by neither body nor personnality
  • Gender is defined by both body and personnality
Only one of these definitions make sense, and I'l first going to start by the ones that don't make sense.

Gender is defined by personnality and behaviour, nothing else
This is not officially a very popular definition, but in practice it is what most modern western people base their definition of gender on : How do people or I act and look like, what do they wear, how do they present themselves ?

Under this definition : feminine = woman, masculine = men, and whatever more if you're in a culture that has more than masculine and feminine (dogshit tier cultures btw).

This definition however very quickly reaches multiple problems :
  1. What are the objective universal definitions of masculine and feminine ?​
  2. What about masculine women and feminine men ?​
Indeed, in a hecking diverse world, the definitions of masculine and feminine vary greatly between cultures, nay within every culture. you won't find a single person who has rhe exact same definition of masculinity and femininity, because men of different parts of the world experience this masculinity in different ways, and so do women their femininity in behaviour and personnality. Certain tomboys would call themselves feminine in their own ways, and be in the complete opposite of what femininity is to others. Matriarchal BBC societies have also had vastly different definitions of femininity than in the west. And if two people have two completely opposite definitions of what it is to be feminine, then you have a problem.

Then, it also becomes sexist in nature because it argues that men cannot be feminine and women cannot be masculine. (Whether this is a good or a bad thing is another discussion).
But anyone holding to this definition should go uo to a woman and tell her that she needs to be feminine, lest she isn't a real woman, and to go up to a man and tell him to be masculine lest he is not a real man.
This is sexist in nature. But it is the reason why some trannies hate femboys, because they hold to this definition.

So defining the western modern definition of masculinity and feminity as the absolute objective truth of these words is racist, biggoted and reductive.
Ultimately. This doesn't even matter because this definition just begs the question. Being a women is being feminine, and being feminine is acting however a woman acts.

It is circular reasoning that leads nowhere, because it bases itself upon societal norm that has no measurable universal objectivity to it.
 
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It is sexual immorality, for it is crossdressing and homosexuality, an abomination to The Lord. None of those who practice it will inherit God's kingdom alongside Him, as my faith certainly defines.

No. At the very least of my convictions, perhaps when I first heard faintly of such an idea, maybe around the age of nine or ten, I viewed it as a simple, "weird thing" and something that went against my beliefs, for, while I was not proficient in my faith, being a smaller child, I still knew stuff like tranvestism was at least rather weird, strange, and abnormal.

Yes.

They should find their hope and their faith in Christ and His teachings, for a reliance and continued trust in the Holy Spirit will let them overcome their sin, and the Holy Spirit is the most effective healer, for the Holy Spirit is God Himself, the most powerful being ever.

I think it is when the limit on it as a concept is the same as the concept of the two sexes, male and female. I think anything else, as if there ever could be something else, is clear satanic deception.

There are demons in them that guide them to destroy themselves.

No, because they weren't born as it, quite simply.
I'm overdue on doing this, so I'll try to do it once and for all in here, albeit it won't be perfect, and it'll also be a condensation of arguments without demonstration because selfish. Also this will be from a purely psychological perspective,I'm leaving theology behind for once.

Anyway, here's an exposition of why I find the concept of transgender absurd and incoherent with it's own goals.

Gender
A transgender person is a person who claims that their real gender differs from the gender assigned to their sex.

But for this to be possible, the concept of gender and the concept of sex would need to be separated entirely, and I argue that this is not the case.

The whole problem of the transgender issue can essentially boil down to this : What is gender ? Because there is no real consensus on this word, yet countries are still willing to go as far as to promulgate a ban on any alternative research to cure dysphoria that isn't transition.

There can only be four definitions of the word gender, because the whole of the observable person can still be divided into two parts :
  1. The body​
  2. Personnality and behaviour.​
These four definitions therefore are :
  • Gender is defined by personnality and behaviour, nothing else
  • Gender is defined by the body, and nothing else
  • Gender is defined by neither body nor personnality
  • Gender is defined by both body and personnality
Only one of these definitions make sense, and I'l first going to start by the ones that don't make sense.

Gender is defined by personnality and behaviour, nothing else
This is not officially a very popular definition, but in practice it is what most modern western people base their definition of gender on : How do people or I act and look like, what do they wear, how do they present themselves ?

Under this definition : feminine = woman, masculine = men, and whatever more if you're in a culture that has more than masculine and feminine (dogshit tier cultures btw).

This definition however very quickly reaches multiple problems :
  1. What are the objective universal definitions of masculine and feminine ?​
  2. What about masculine women and feminine men ?​
Indeed, in a hecking diverse world, the definitions of masculine and feminine vary greatly between cultures, nay within every culture. you won't find a single person who has rhe exact same definition of masculinity and femininity, because men of different parts of the world experience this masculinity in different ways, and so do women their femininity in behaviour and personnality. Certain tomboys would call themselves feminine in their own ways, and be in the complete opposite of what femininity is to others. Matriarchal BBC societies have also had vastly different definitions of femininity than in the west. And if two people have two completely opposite definitions of what it is to be feminine, then you have a problem.

So defining the western modern definition of masculinity and feminity as the absolute objective truth of these words is racist, biggoted and reductive.
Ultimately. this doesn't even matter because this definition just begs the question. Being a women is being feminine, and being feminine is acting however a woman acts.

It is circular reasoning that leads nowhere, because it bases itself upon societal norm that has no measurable universal objectivity to it.
1. trannies are horrible people that are an affront to biology, provide nothing of value, turn a fetish into a personality, and (((they))) force you to follow their sick, perverted ideology or else (((they))) will take everything you care about. (((They))) do noy hold any morals and will attempt rewrite history and control the media and institutions to make sure nobody else has any left.
2. Never.
3. Yes.
4. Kill themselves.
5. Gender and sex are the same. Its what you are born with not some social construct.
6. To reinforce (((their))) delusions and satasfy (((their))) fetishes. (((They))) will ruin (((their))) body to chase after a perverted fantasy that hurts everyone around them.
7. If you are born with y chromosome you are male, if not female. If you are the vanishingly small minority or (((intersex))) you are genetically defective and should kill yourself.
too wordy
 
>too wordy
I'm a quarter done.
I'm not doing a tl;dr for this one I'm giving the whole exposition step by step.
Basically giving you the whole argument, only read it if you are interested.
 
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